Talk about some of the most ridiculous shit in the world! This guys decides to do the RIGHT thing by preventing a guy from successfully shoplifting, as well as ensuring that no one else around was going to be harmed with the knife that the thief pulled out...and Wal-Mart FIRED him based on their "no-chase policy".
What do you think? Should the dood have lost his job when he was basically doing his job? Granted, I'm sure that $42 in golf balls is chump change compared to Wal-Mart, but nonetheless, telling this guy "you're fired, and it's a non-rehirable offense" is just bullshit to me!
Wow, are you serious? I would love to hop inside their heads and just find out what goes through their mind when they come up with great ideas like that. That's fucking bullshit.
I used worked at Smith's and they had the same no chase policy. If I saw someone stealing I was supposed to tell a manager. Doesn't do much good though someone shoplifted once and the manager confronted him as he got in his car, but the guy tried to escape so the manager stood behind his car, and he reversed anyway and almost ran him over.
Oh and on a serious note, battling armed robberies probably isn't covered by their insurance policy and they don't want to get sued which could be worth a lot more than golf balls
I understand that a "no-chase policy" helps to keep the people working security and such safe, as well as the company from dealing with bullshit assault lawsuits and such. However, it shows just how fucking feeble we are as a society when we will just LET someone steal something.
" what the hell is a no-chase policy? are they just gonna let poeple run away with their stuff? "
For most stores it's far cheaper to let people run away with their stuff than to pay proper security guards & insurance to cover the security guards. They generally just hire security guards as a "visual presence" - i.e. it's their job to stand there all day doing nothing.
Most stores have a no chase policy. Most say that you can not follow a suspect after they have left the curb in front of the store. Some say that you can not even follow them out of the door. It is put in place so that they will not be liable for any injuries or death that may occur. Is it right? No. They should reward someone for doing their job especially if they don't get hurt or hurt anyone around them. But rules are rules and he broke them unfortunately.
Maybe Wal Mart has a "don't run with sharp objects" policy, and thought chasing people would encourage that.....no, wait, this is just kinda sad. You know you should only fire the guy if they don't catch the criminal :P.
" what the hell is a no-chase policy? are they just gonna let poeple run away with their stuff? "
For most stores it's far cheaper to let people run away with their stuff than to pay proper security guards & insurance to cover them. They generally just hire security guards as a "visual presence" - i.e. it's their job to stand there all day doing nothing. "
Well shit, I'm gonna load down with DVDs and take off running from now on! Hell, if they can't chase me, and I'm not going to be prosecuted or even caught for it because they can't chase me...then Hell...I fucking win!
"What do you think? Should the dood have lost his job when he was basically doing his job?"
That was not his job. His job description says not to approach thieves. They have the police for that.
They have this policy because if said employee got hurt in his heroics it would more then likely cost the company way more money then the amount of stuff one guy can guy can get out of the store with.
no he was making a point that when he turns 65 he still can't work there, wal-mart has a heavy paper department that keeps records from back to when the store started and if you fucked up then your unhireable. Wal-mart is the shittiest place to work.
As for the policy if a suspect leaves the store your not allowed to follow. And its a stupid policy.
" what the hell is a no-chase policy? are they just gonna let poeple run away with their stuff? "
For most stores it's far cheaper to let people run away with their stuff than to pay proper security guards & insurance to cover them. They generally just hire security guards as a "visual presence" - i.e. it's their job to stand there all day doing nothing. "
Well shit, I'm gonna load down with DVDs and take off running from now on! Hell, if they can't chase me, and I'm not going to be prosecuted or even caught for it because they can't chase me...then Hell...I fucking win! "
no he was making a point that when he turns 65 he still can't work there, wal-mart has a heavy paper department that keeps records from back to when the store started and if you fucked up then your unhireable. Wal-mart is the shittiest place to work. As for the policy if a suspect leaves the store your not allowed to follow. And its a stupid policy. "
Fuck walmart. he can go to any supermarket and get hired immediately, especially at one that has a union. Most supermarkets, like the one i worked at (shoprite) dont have a no-chase policy, and actually i took out a couple of guys onces who tried to run past me after shoplifting. and my manager gave me a pat on the back.
This is standard policy for most every retail corporation. The thought behind it is two-fold. First, nothing in the store is worth a human life, especially not $42 in golf balls. Secondly, if you accidentally, or intentionally :) , happen to injure the suspected thief, he then has grounds for legal recourse.
I totally agree with you guys in principle, and if I ran a privately owned business I would probably put my life in danger over some stupid shit, but from the point of view of a major corporation it just makes you too much of a risk to keep as an employee.
" what the hell is a no-chase policy? are they just gonna let poeple run away with their stuff? "
For most stores it's far cheaper to let people run away with their stuff than to pay proper security guards & insurance to cover them. They generally just hire security guards as a "visual presence" - i.e. it's their job to stand there all day doing nothing. "
Well shit, I'm gonna load down with DVDs and take off running from now on! Hell, if they can't chase me, and I'm not going to be prosecuted or even caught for it because they can't chase me...then Hell...I fucking win! "
I hope you are joking. They have security cams and eye witnesses. You will be prosecuted for it, you well just be caught by the cops and not the "security" at wal-mart.
I disagree - the guy was putting himself and others at risk. Lets say the thief is armed and shoots the employee. At that point a gun has been brought out and the lives of other customers and employees are at risk.
Similar story from a few months back. A guy robs a bank and a teller hops the counter, chases the robber down and tackles/detains him until authorities arrive. The teller got fired.
Stores have security cameras for a reason.
Silly way to go, but why put your body in harms way for a replaceable material posession.
" what the hell is a no-chase policy? are they just gonna let poeple run away with their stuff? "
For most stores it's far cheaper to let people run away with their stuff than to pay proper security guards & insurance to cover them. They generally just hire security guards as a "visual presence" - i.e. it's their job to stand there all day doing nothing. "
Well shit, I'm gonna load down with DVDs and take off running from now on! Hell, if they can't chase me, and I'm not going to be prosecuted or even caught for it because they can't chase me...then Hell...I fucking win! "
I hope you are joking. They have security cams and eye witnesses. You will be prosecuted for it, you well just be caught by the cops and not the "security" at wal-mart. "
I'm fairly sure he was joking. I mean, Jakob is an idiot, but not THAT much of an idiot :P
I don't really know what was in it for the cashier, doing this. He's not stealing from you, he's stealing from the corporation that just fired you. This is stupid for multiple reasons and one of those reasons is this guy made a scene protecting Wal Mart merchandise, and that's stupid.
" I don't really know what was in it for the cashier, doing this. He's not stealing from you, he's stealing from the corporation that just fired you. This is stupid for multiple reasons and one of those reasons is this guy made a scene protecting Wal Mart merchandise, and that's stupid. "
Read the article please :/
He was a security guard AKA "asset protection officer"
I'm confused. What is the security guard allowed to do? Does this mean I can go to Walmart and steal Uncharted 2, and they can't chase me when I make my escape?
" I'm confused. What is the security guard allowed to do? Does this mean I can go to Walmart and steal Uncharted 2, and they can't chase me when I make my escape? "
I work at a video store, and we have very similar policies. We have a lot more stuff stolen than you might think. But, we don't have the right to ask you to open your bag, stop when you beep, damn near anything. Steal something, I can't do anything.
Sounds like either this guy isn't informed on company policy or he wasn't sufficiently-informed by his superiors as to company policy. But anyone who's ever had a job in retail theft prevention understands the purpose of a given company's no-chase policy. Theft prevention security guards are visible deterrents. That is to say, security firms that are contracted to do this work hire big, bulky people who look intimidating, but their job is to keep watch on the store proper and not chase a person into the parking lot or mall (i.e., outside of the store proper.) When you flout this policy you put yourself and others around you at risk. A security guard is not a law-enforcement officer, nor does he have the training, knowhow, or arms to handle threatening situations the way a police officer trained for duty does. If a company didn't have a no-chase policy (or any other explicit policy with regards to how theft-prevention personnel should do their jobs), then employees would do "whatever they think is necessary" to apprehend shoplifters, whether that be assaulting suspects, foricbly detaining them, or putting themselves, fellow employees, or customers at risk, all of these activities are liability risks. Companies exist to profit from the provision of products and services, not dump their cash into the ambulance-chaser industry.
" This is standard policy for most every retail corporation. The thought behind it is two-fold. First, nothing in the store is worth a human life, especially not $42 in golf balls. Secondly, if you accidentally, or intentionally :) , happen to injure the suspected thief, he then has grounds for legal recourse. I totally agree with you guys in principle, and if I ran a privately owned business I would probably put my life in danger over some stupid shit, but from the point of view of a major corporation it just makes you too much of a risk to keep as an employee. Man that sucks. "
& @CoverlessTech said:
" @jakob187 said:
"What do you think? Should the dood have lost his job when he was basically doing his job?"
That was not his job. His job description says not to approach thieves. They have the police for that. They have this policy because if said employee got hurt in his heroics it would more then likely cost the company way more money then the amount of stuff one guy can guy can get out of the store with. He is a risk to the company so he has to go. "
Yes. Finally people understand instead of just saying "hey that's not fair, he was trying to stop crime!"
The reason why Wal-Mart and other major companies are so strict on this policy is because if things go wrong, they could be in waaayy more legal trouble.
Also, to those of you who think the revelation that security guards are not a form of enforcement, but instead a mere visible deterrent, don't let that fool you into thinking you can get away with shoplifting. Theft prevention personnel work in vertically-integrated operations that collect evidence against profiteer shoplifters so that they can prosecute them. You might be able to get away with stealing a game or two, but if they keep seeing your face on the cameras and in the notes of the security guards, that data will be collated and you will be prosecuted.
Dude, first off, they have security guards to do this. The store is thinking about the worker first and foremost, not his quest for glory. What would have happened if the worker got shanked. Walmart would have to pay for his funeral and shit. You think that they will allow anyone to chase a robber, much less one who is armed? And if they specifically tell you, don't do this shit, and you do, you are a liability and not following what you job is. He was not doing his job and thats why he got fired. You can keep someone if they wont follow your safety policies. The idea is to keep the worker and the customers safe. You see he chases that fool, the guy pulls a knife, woker gets shanked, now what? A customer could be next. Good fucking work bro, you got someone stabbed. Just because he got the guy, doesn't mean it could play out differently later. @TwoOneFive: I am sure you did
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