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@fatalbanana: mainline Battlefield has never had this tone, I think that’s why people are reacting so negatively to all of this. People who like Battlefield like the way the previous games handled the tone. Few seem to like the new tone. If that isn’t justification for why it should have been more authentic I don’t know what is.

What’s wrong with wanting a historically authentic experience? There are a lot of games from a decade ago, there is one Battlefield game from two decades ago that address this setting.

And again... I’d be less vehemently against the attitude of the characters, the freakin prosthetic arm on a female soldier, the dumb character customization if it came off as genuine or well done but it doesn’t at all. It feels very generic and bland despite trying to be more energetic and exciting.

People who play Battlefield clearly like the authentic feeling as much as the crazy gameplay moments. I don’t get the argument of “but it isn’t” against someone saying it should be. Yes, it’s not trying to be authentic. That’s the issue. And to make it worse, they aren’t even doing a good job of not being authentic, in my opinion.

The reason people are against it.... is because they wanted authentic. I don’t get why anytime someone says that, they are told or it is implied they are harboring other thoughts.

There are a lot of dudes and even dudettes out there that just want an authentic experience. They don’t care about social issues they want it to be authentic and they want that experience with Battlefield. Because that’s been the way Battlefield has handled mainline games. Had this been a spin-off like Bad company, and had been able to go further and take it full alternate history with chicks and amputees and all the rest, and a genuinely compelling reason for all that stuff like Bad Company had for it’s more lighthearted experience, that would have been cool. I probably would have preferred a realistic, authentic experience but I’d be excited for either one. This just looks poorly done.

We’re nerds, we like things a certain way. I’m a military geek, and about to enlist. I like that stuff and know a lot of people who also like that stuff. It obviously has huge appeal because we’re only now starting to get out of the modern warfare era of games, which surged with the release of Call of Duty 4 many years ago. I feel like you’re making a lot of assumptions that there aren’t a lot of people genuinely into authentic war stuff. Guys love shit like Saving Private Ryan, they like WWII history, they like guns. They know when things aren’t right and this is one of those moments. I don’t think it’s fair to assume anyone is hiding behind authenticity and no one should need to feel the need to explain how awesome female characters are just because they said they don’t think it fits in what they want the game to be based on the general themes of past.

Heck even the marketing team knows people want an authentic WWII Battlefield experience, that word is used specifically. But they have yet to deliver on that and that bums people out.

@alvarofaraujo: it wouldn’t hurt their business, it just takes away a bargaining chip for the future if they lose ground. Cross play would only encourage more purchases on their platform as people could buy for their preferred console. As the market leader they would gain more software and hardware sales than they would lose to MS.

It likely would be a small difference and that means they would rather not until they have more reason to entice people.

It would also be very good for developer relationships. Being able to consolidate player bases across platforms would benefit many developers and could bring more support to Sony as a result.

I like most of the gameplay changes, although the dive stuff seems a bit silly with how it interacts with shooting.

The tone of that trailer was awful, for a Battlefield game. I like Battlefield because it always felt like it was trying to be authentic, if not accurate. BF1 did a great job with both tone and gameplay capturing what I imagine WW1 combat felt like. The trailer felt like it was more on the Inglorious Bastards side of things, and then some, which isn’t what I want. Hopefully that stuff is relegated to the coop stuff, because I want MP to feel more authentic. I’m sorry but a female amputee being a soldier is ridiculous. Even now you wouldn’t see a soldier fighting with current prosthetic arms. The female thing can be debated but female fighters were incredibly unusual at the time, and as far as I know didn’t really exist outside of a select few locations. I know it’s the era of inclusiveness but it felt odd to me. I’m down with it when it makes sense in context and I love me a lady warrior but if we’re talking about a historical setting I don’t want that decision being made for any reason other than it being a good way to capture the history. I liked the sound of the female Norwegian fighter because that seemed more plausible but some British lady with a damn hook? Come on.

Also the gameplay stuff they showed looked like it was being played by a tester showing off mechanics, especially with the new dive to probe stuff with it almost getting spammed in silly ways.

Hope the gameplay stuff they show at E3 will be more enticing. I loved the hell out of BF1 and some of the gameplay changes they have come out with for this sound genuinely very good. I’m just not sold, and I haven’t had anything but stellar experiences with mainline BF games.

Is anyone else worried about the lack of premium? One of my favorite elements of 3,4, and 1 was the level of content that was released through premium. Yeah it was $50 but for less than the price of the original content you more than doubled the maps from the base game and got new weapons, vehicles, and I think even gadgets. I’m worried that dumping that model means there will be less meaningful additions and more focus on smaller scale/insubstantial stuff.

@hayt: there’s a difference between a punisher patch and a silly looking biker jacket though.

@flatblack: I would agree if a) the tone was actually fun and b) the series so far hadn’t been pretty good about providing an authentic tone.

Had this been something like that Brothers in Arms that never happened, that actually pulled off the tone change in a series that already hit the period and authenticity really well, I would feel better about this.

As for women, I look at that from a historical perspective. If they can justify it there, I’d love to see some lady warriors. So far they have not done that. And then you add her damn arm in and it just feels like a grab for the inclusiveness award and not something genuine, again especially in a series like this.

I think women warriors with character beyond “haha I’m a tough person crackin wise look how clever” are awesome and the image of a soldier with a fake arm is pretty awesome. I’d just prefer it happen in a property more likely to do something with it and where it fits better.

Not wanting to see a female in this game in that context doesn’t make someone a dweeb and not everything is about hating women. It may be hard to believe but a lot of people who take issue with it genuinely just don’t like the errors in authenticity and historical representation.

Brienne of Tarth is a badass. She’s also a character who feels genuine in the world she lives in. She’s not a petite pretty lady who happens to be a badass.

I want to see a female Soviet sniper. There were a lot of those. Lady Death was one of the most effective snipers of WWII. That’s a badass, that’s a character worth emulating, in my opinion.

I feel that forcing female characters into roles that simply don’t fit historical events does very little to honor what women actually DID do during the period.

For some reason in the last couple of days I’ve been having GB hijack my audio playback in iOS when I load pages. This is especially annoying with how iOS handles audio sources because I have to switch to the app I want to continue audio in anytime it gets interrupted. No video or audio plays from the site, but something is getting into the stream and interrupting it.

Not only is it pointless, I have 0 faith in anyone providing a precise enough number for it to matter while also being accurate. Focusing on it as a community will and has led to bad design practices to draw out games and keep you playing for longer.

If money is that tight, maybe focus on other stuff in life.

I think most dweebs who try to make a sci fi setting like that just screw up things like set design, etc.

Game of Thrones was successful because it felt surprisingly modern despite the fictional time period it is set in, and because it is written and acted fairly well. It also has a lot to offer so chances are greater if you finding plots you are interested in and invested in. For example everyone loved Arya but I cared way more about Jamie and The Hound (more so in the books mind you).

Basically it needs to not use space ships as a gimmick or make everything dumb.

Firefly was popular because it was grounded and focused on characters and didn’t have foil track suits and crap.

I’ll just rewatch Farscape when I get a hankering for sci fi until someone does something neat.

Oh hell yes. I use a good oil with a high smoke point and then bring it down and throw some butter on the steak before wrapping it in foil to finish.

Butter is delicious.

@berniesbc: I dunno I can understand that perspective. If cooked properly that is one of my favorite ways to prepare a nice blue steak.

I’ll more likely rub some salt and pepper on there and melt some butter on it but that’s about as far as I take a steak. Not everyone wants that extra stuff and just a steak in oil when done right and with good meat is amazing all in its own.

If you use butter instead of oil you’re doing it wrong, unless you cooked the meat some other way and are just searing the surface, and even then. Butter has a low smoke point and will burn unless you want to slow cook it.

I dunno, after Doom I'm kind of interested in a Rage 2. Rage had some really cool shit and with more contemporary success behind it they could strive to really deliver on those concepts.

Amd I hope it's 60fps. I remember being genuinely blown away by 60fps footage of rage on a damn console. Was Doom 60fps on consoles? I played it on PC with a 1080ti so I was getting 150-200 fps most of the time. But sadly I don't see myself owning a badass gaming PC anytime soon, so it'll be Xbox for me most likely.

I plan on buying a Switch in the next 2 and a half weeks now that I am properly employeed once more. I will definitely be picking up Zelda because I loved what little I played on PC, and probably Mario after all I've seen/heard about the game. I don't have much use for multiplayer games, local or online. What else would y'all recommend?

Drop the girl. I was in such a relationship for 8 years and it ended in disaster. Get out now, trust me it will suck less. If you loved her enough to deal with this you wouldn't ve questioning this shit you'd be busy supporting her.

Someone who cannot care for themselves beijg an issue for you seems major. And on top if that she is being shitty towards you because you expect equal in return. I know this will be unpopular in this community but I would never be with someone who would put you in that position yet refuse to make you dinner and tend to your house while you worked.

I am lucky enough to have a woman now who respects that balance whichever way it leans. I spent a long time with someone who didn't. It is not worth the heartache or effort.

If ypu don't know, you know it isn't the right path. Believe me, and please for the love of God spare yourself.

An adult is willing ti do for their SO these things. My career path will pay far less than the path of my SO, but will ask so much more of her in our relationship. I respect that and expect the burden to fall on me.

It sounds like your fiance fails to recognize that and is undeserving of someone who would do so much to support them.

God speed sir. It is a painful path no matter which way you go.