I saw someone write this the other day on a video for the trailer.  I don't know, maybe that person is too young to realize that Wolfenstein is not "just another first person shooter"...but that it is THE first person shooter.  There's never been a bad one, ya know.

Well, duh, I'm sure you shun games your elders loved too :P

I don't know if I'll get it day 1, but Raven is a solid developer, as long as they're given the freedom, time and budget.

They weren't involved with the last Wolfenstein but they did make the awesome, golden Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, you know.

RTCW was good but I wouldn't call it THE fps, not until Splash Damage came with Enemy Territory, and that was stand alone and free.

They're not involved here so I'm thinking Raven should just go for an awesome SP experience this time and skip MP until they can focus on it.

I saw someone write this the other day on a video for the trailer.  I don't know, maybe that person is too young to realize that Wolfenstein is not "just another first person shooter"...but that it is THE first person shooter.  There's never been a bad one, ya know.

But does anyone else feel and see this problem?  There are so many younger gamers nowadays who know about Call of Duty 4, World at War, Killzone 2, and they know nothing about Quake III Arena or Wolfenstein or Unreal Tournament.  Have the FPS games of our generation become "just another first person shooter"?

I know I'll be getting this on day one, because it's Wolfenstein, and there is NO way to fuck that up.

"I mean, look at Jeff for a minute.  He mentioned something about Unreal Tournament III on the PC a couple weeks back on a Bombcast, if I remember correctly...and how the PC community just isn't there.  Why?  UTIII is a solid game...but is it too "old school"?"

I'm 26 too. Well, just over 25. I never liked pong... Or things like uh, various other caveman games. Jumping frogs eating mosquitoes... Lol.

And yeah UT3 failed to grab fans. UT2004 had sold insanely well if I'm not mistaken.

I don't think it was the lack of mods. One problem with UT2004 was people didn't fucking play mods. So many good ones thanks to the Make Something Unreal Contest, yet none had a consistent fanbase. Red Orchestra was probably the only one you could consider succesful (prior to going stand alone) and it too didn't have too many players. For some reason, people just didn't play mods all that much. Probably because UT2004 offered so much by default, but really, I don't know how they could ignore such aaaaawesome experiences. Oh, Alien Swarm had some fans too. Whatever happened to its Source version. No updates in ages... I used to run a website dedicated to that material and broke it off for my army service hoping to come back and start again but damn, modding isn't what it used to be... People just don't like free fucking games anymore and bitch and whine about every little thing that isn't AAA quality about them. Frackers.

"I don't think it was the lack of mods. One problem with UT2004 was people didn't fucking play mods. So many good ones thanks to the Make Something Unreal Contest, yet none had a consistent fanbase. Red Orchestra was probably the only one you could consider succesful (prior to going stand alone) and it too didn't have too many players. For some reason, people just didn't play mods all that much. Probably because UT2004 offered so much by default, but really, I don't know how they could ignore such aaaaawesome experiences. Oh, Alien Swarm had some fans too. Whatever happened to its Source version. No updates in ages... I used to run a website dedicated to that material and broke it off for my army service hoping to come back and start again but damn, modding isn't what it used to be... People just don't like free fucking games anymore and bitch and whine about every little thing that isn't AAA quality about them. Frackers."

Are you talking mutators then? Cos that's what Epic called those tweaks, not mods. Clever concept anyway, UT2004RPG was by far the best, tons and tons of blissful gameplay variety enclosed in like less than half a MB.

"Are you talking mutators then?"

Okay... Well, what was a popular one then? I don't recall any gathering any large fan base. Clone Wars?

Can a game like Wolfenstein or Unreal or Quake compete in the "new FPS" market...especially since consoles have come into play as much as the PC for the genre?"

I freakin grew up on Unreal Tournament, man. To me, no FPS will top it.

"ZeroCast said:

"jakob187 said:

Can a game like Wolfenstein or Unreal or Quake compete in the "new FPS" market...especially since consoles have come into play as much as the PC for the genre?"

Well, i do believe that if  those "new FPS" games introduce something new to the known formula, then they might have a good chance in competing with a game like Wolfenstein for example, but that formula must be something out of the ordinary, something that the consumer would look at and say:"Woah, this looks good"."

Right, but should someone really throw around the words "just another first person shooter" on a game that will assuredly be awesome (given that the companies behind it rarely fail) just because they don't introduce some crazy new shit to the formula?  I mean, this world-shifting thing or whatever it is...it's whatever.  I just think that a game should be held on the merit of what it DOES do, and not the fact that "oh, well, it doesn't introduce anything new, so it's just another first person shooter".

That's the thing.  Saying that Wolfenstein is "just another first person shooter" is putting it in the same class as Haze, TimeShift, Legendary, and all the other flailing FPS games that honestly sucked and WERE "just another first person shooter".  We're talking about WOLFENSTEIN, not some run of the mill bullshit!!!

Maybe it's just my age showing, but I would rather have excellent gameplay over fucking with a formula that isn't broken.  =  /

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People are saying THIS Wolfenstein looks like 'just another first person shooter', I think.  Because so far it looks like a sub par FPS, frankly.  I liked the original Wolf3d, RTCW was pretty good, and Wolf : ET was great for free.  Can a game like THIS compete on consoles against modern FPS games?  I don't think so.  I'm just basing this on what I've heard and seen, but just because they use the Wolfenstein name, that doesn't mean the game is any good.

IM LIKE BLAT BLAT BLAT IN DA CALL OF DUTY 5 WITH DA MP40 AND WOLFENSTEIN IS JUST A BIG RIP OFF LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

From what I've seen of the new Wolfenstein it does look like it will be completely average.

  Return of Castle Wolfenstein was the first game I played on Xbox Live. It was really fun. I played it for a while. The soldier classes were what made is so cool and fun.
Beach Invasion was my favorite level. I hope they bring that level back in this game.

What they once were doesn't matter, if those games don't change anything except the graphics as the years go by, then yeah they are just another first person shooter game.

I was not around at the stat of Wolfenstein 3D but i have since played a lot of it (thank you XBLA) and the follow-up, Return to Castle Wolfenstein. I believe this new game will be pretty rad, as all the weapons I have seen are great. I would say that these type of games can still survive in this generation but don't expect it to sell up to the standard that COD4 or Halo 3 has set these past years.

" What they once were doesn't matter, if those games don't change anything except the graphics as the years go by, then yeah they are just another first person shooter game. "

I'm getting it one day one, but honestly the trailers aren't as impressive as I was hoping for.  I remember my brother playing return on PC all the time when I went to his house...good memories lol...I had to settle for the Xbox version.

If it aint broke don't fix it . There is nothing more you can do for the genre its come as fr as its gunna get

The history of the franchise has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the new game. Even if it is Wolfenstein. It is really stupid, however, that people take a look at this game and say that it's "generic" but will look at the COD series and will say "if ain't broke, don't fix it" or whatever the hell. Point is, we just have to wait and see.

" @DOUBLESHOCK said:

" What they once were doesn't matter, if those games don't change anything except the graphics as the years go by, then yeah they are just another first person shooter game. "

What has Call of Duty changed over the years except the graphics and (more recently) the setting? "

Setting is huge, that means all new environments, character models, and weapons.

Multiplayer has several ranks, unlocks, challenges, and game modes.

" Gameplay is different now with the quick zoom where you look down the sights to take your shot.

COD4 is not just another fps, I don't need to give you proof just look at the amount of people who play it. "

Wii Fit must be the greatest game of all time. It certainly is the best selling. "

"Can a game like Wolfenstein or Unreal or Quake compete in the "new FPS" market...especially since consoles have come into play as much as the PC for the genre?"

Well, I know I'm going to buy it. Innovation is great and all -- and I say that without sarcasm -- but sometimes there's nothing better than a solid, adrenaline-charged FPS.

" Well, duh, I'm sure you shun games your elders loved too :PI don't know if I'll get it day 1, but Raven is a solid developer, as long as they're given the freedom, time and budget.They weren't involved with the last Wolfenstein but they did make the awesome, golden Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, you know.RTCW was good but I wouldn't call it THE fps, not until Splash Damage came with Enemy Territory, and that was stand alone and free.They're not involved here so I'm thinking Raven should just go for an awesome SP experience this time and skip MP until they can focus on it. "

I have doubts for it but all the same I hope that it is an amazing game and is received well. I used to play hours upon hours on return to castle wolfenstein multiplayer. I actually forgot it was coming out so soon that I already spent all my money and can't afford it, too bad guess I'll have to wait.

" well thats certainly what i think,  im not a big wolfenstein fan so i dont know what the hypes about, am i missing something here?, to me it just looks like another chaotic first person shooter with evil robot Nazis (ok thats original) but apart from that i dont understand, whats unique about it?? "

Fill me in with this info. 
 
Are the same guys that made all the other ones makin' this one too? If not, it won't be that great.

" Fill me in with this info.  Are the same guys that made all the other ones makin' this one too? If not, it won't be that great. "

ok so i think that the retro classics like quake and the original wolfenstein were revolutionary at the time of release, but as games evolve and improve, most of the older games can't stand up against the newer games. people should recognize classic games place in gaming history but also know that games evolve. 
as for the new wolfenstein, (i loved the original at the time), i personally think that it  looks fun but not spectacular.  

Can a game like Wolfenstein or Unreal or Quake compete in the "new FPS" market...especially since consoles have come into play as much as the PC for the genre?

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I might get this game next month when money starts rolling in again.  Hopefully I will see good reviews.

I was kind of in an odd age gap for all these old school classics. I was too young to really have an atraction to them when they were big (My first shooter of any type was Goldeneye... But I only had that since I had a 64). But I have given them a go retroactively, such as UT99 and Enemy Territory (thanks to Quake Wars).
 
But some of them (ie, Wolfenstein) have eluded my attention, so I can't really offer an opinion on them apart from I can recognise the impact they've had and I can respect that. These younger kids who got Halo for their 8th birthday and only have COD on their shelf to compete still annoy me as much as they do all you old-schoolers. For example, I talked to someone once who was under the impression Halo implemented the 'Killing Spree' multiplayer award, and hadn't a clue what I was talking about when I mentioned Unreal/Quake.

Kids, haha what can you do with them? Sell them into slavery! I wish! Note: This is not a personal remark about minors