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#1  Edited By vinny

Last week we started playing Life is Strange. We leave our fate in your hands. Sound off on what you'd like to see. Obviously, games should be able to be purchased or easily accessible in for the best chance. We also can't really do current handheld stuff out of the East office.

Also, due to scheduling this week this might happen on Tuesday or be pushed to next week. Still figuring it out.

Lastly, for ease of reading the suggestions I would recommend using your first line for the game then put a line break followed by any comments or text, like this:

KERBAL

Play Kerbal all day, every day!

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Gonna lock this for this week and set one up again early next week so it doesn't get confusing. Thanks for all the suggestions. Really enjoyed Life is Strange.

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@azulot: Wow! This is incredibly helpful! Did you do this all manually by reading each post?

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We've got our game request lines open and are looking for suggestions for games you'd like to see us play, play again, or maybe something we missed. Looking into starting a request centered show. Add them here and we'll see where it goes!

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@asinies said:

@vinny: The print res is 26 x 33, do you want the (flattened) full-res file? Also holy crap man thanks so much!

Sure! What's the best way to get it to me? Maybe PM me with a dropbox or similar link?

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@asinies: This is so awesome and also extremely humbling. This is some actual talent! Thanks so much! Is there a print resolution version?

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By 'journalists and developers' I'm referring mostly to the figures/targets (whichever term you'd prefer) at the center of the last two months. I'm referring to the people who built narratives around this group of people who had a problem with them, who called them ugly white men until notyourshield made that impossible, who claimed that anyone who had a problem with mass deletions, DMCAs, and any actual case of possible injustice doesn't actually care about injustice and are really just misogynists.

Thanks for taking the time to write the response. Not sure I'll be able to stick around much longer. I have to put the kids to bed (literally, not a metaphor). So don't think I'm ignoring you if I don't respond.

As far as I can tell those people also love games. If they are dismissive of an audience then that audience will leave, right? They don't represent games anymore than you or I do. Sure, they might have larger voices because of a platform, but that's because an audience is listening to them. If they still have a large audience then "Go with God", right? If they lose their audience they won't have a voice anymore. If it's really a few individuals, this should be achievable.

If it's not a few individuals, and there's a real call for something different, someone or some new publication will fill the gap. They will put ads on it, and they will monetize it.

I think using countries in (what was already a stretch of a metaphor on my part) is not really the same. But if you dive into the groups trying to settle those conflicts by various means you immediately touch some of the problems in discussing these things objectively.

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I understand the staff's sentiment regarding harassment and death threats, etc. I feel anyone who engages in this kind of mean spirited behavior is doing a disservice to the ethics debate. I also think that the fact this entire ordeal was started by a biased and angry (even if justifiably angry) ex-boyfriend who, by most accounts, was cheated on in a very nasty way, is reason enough for people to take everything he presented with a grain of salt. However, much like often happens in political scandals, this entire thing became relevant when the media outlets who had staff member involved, directly or indirectly, started actively trying to dismiss the whole discussion without actually demonstrating any transparency or accountability.

I read the story about the failed Game Jam TV show that Zoe Quinn participated in when it first was covered by the gaming press. Not a single one of the pieces I read gave a chance for the producer, who was accused of being offensive towards women, a chance to defend himself. Most of them immediately jumped at his throat with a level of aggressiveness uncommon in proper journalism. As a journalist myself, having worked in actual politics coverage for years, I am aware that you should never take sides when covering a story, even when it's apparently obvious that one side is right and the other is wrong. When a journalist does take sides while reporting, he or she is failing at their job.

Gaming journalism used to be an arm of PR. In the last decade, it's been moving from being a marketing tool to being a proper type of coverage, akin to what has existed for a long time in the field of arts and culture. However, the people who work at and lead gaming media outlets seem mostly unprepared to deal with the reality of their changing position. It is no longer acceptable for gaming journalism to be completely irresponsible about what they write. This is not a choice to be taken, it's a fact to be recognized.

When an outlet like Kotaku writes a click-bait piece about the art style in Dragon's Crown, associating the art direction with misogyny and gender discrimination, they are making a disservice to anyone who truly believes that gender equality is something we should all work to achieve. It was irresponsible and ignorant, much like it would be irresponsible and ignorant to slant a film as racist after seeing only a still frame. "Look, that film has a burning cross in it, so it must be racist. Oh, wait. It's Mississippi Burning. My bad!"

Once a media coverage becomes relevant, it has to uphold itself to standards. Otherwise, the audience will revolt. Remember the story about the NYT writer Judith Miller, who wrote many pieces about the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq leading up to the invasion? She has since left the NYT and went on to work for a Republican think tank. Her work was so biased and irresponsible, the NYT had to issue a public apology. You are probably thinking this stuff is way more serious than videogames will ever be. Well, guess again!

Why did the NYT issue that apology? Why did they fire Judith Miller? To save face, one might say. But that is exactly what gaming media should have done in face of the ethics accusations. Publishing a series of articles about the death of the gamer identity simultaneously in many different outlets, all in the same week, as a response to the #GamerGate arise, was the stupidest thing they could have done. The message sent was "Yes, there is bias and we stand by it" I understand you might not think this is the case and that those articles had the best of intentions, but it is how it's perceived from the outside looking in. If Kotaku and all the other involved media outlets had instead addressed the story in a journalistic way, made a mea culpa and possibly even fired someone for truly behaving inappropriately towards a source, there would likely be no movement at all. The nut cases would be screaming alone, like they already did before this whole mess started.

This is the last paragraph, I swear. What are game developers to gaming journalists? Friends? Co-workers? Colleagues? Nope. They are sources. Every journalist has a relationship with his or her sources. Some sources become friends, some become acquaintances, some just stay sources forever. A young journalist/blogger has a romantic, possibly extramarital relationship with a young indie developer. Is this allowed? Sure it is. It's their life, they can do whatever they want with it, including cheating. However, when their lives are exposed in the internet, and bias in his coverage of her work is implied, the gaming media can't pretend nothing is happening. There is a story to be covered, questions to be answered. Ignoring the story will produce a reaction. Giving an unsatisfying response will produce a reaction. We live in internet times, where nothing goes away and nothing can be hidden for too long unless it's too complicated to be screamed out in 140 characters. I think most gaming websites have not really spent much time thinking about crisis management and general PR stuff. They should start now, because if anything positive can be taken away from this mess, it's the realization that gaming journalism has become relevant, and it needs to deal with it's relevancy with maturity and rationality.

PS: I'm not a native English speaker, so I apologize if anything written here sounds offensive to someone or excessive in any way. It is not my intention. I'm a big fan of the website, although I'm not a subscriber, and I wish you all the best of luck.

Didn't agree with all of it, but a lot of it. This is a good read.

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@karlpilkington said:

@vinny Yo Vinny, I've heard some people hating on journalists for taking free swag at events. I don't see the problem with journalists getting free stuff at events, free stuff is great and I know I could trust myself to not be bias just because I got a t-shirt from the developer.

Do you think the problem here is that if people see you taking the free stuff then they won't trust you if you ever write about the game? Wondering what you'd think if you saw a journalist friend receive free stuff.

I definitely think "free stuff" is an issue. People receive free crap all the time. Most people that have been in this long enough have piles of it they regret ever accruing. Most larger companies have peer review systems. That mean even if that awesome camo USB drive you got from Shooter: The Big Shooter got through your defenses, than someone is going to call you on it. We are also hyperaware of it. A lot of it backfires. It can look desperate. But when I go to E3 and see the gigantic lines at an industry event for a pair of Mickey Mouse ears I worry. I see people go into a frenzy to catch a t-shirt and then see that a person from it is sitting at a press event for The Witcher. It's disturbing.

We get games from publishers and devs all the time. At some point you just have to either trust us or not. I do think, even within our organization, keeping perspective about how much games cost and that we have more access than most is important.

Overall, use your nose. If something smells rotten, it probably is.

Hey Vinny, is this becoming a bigger issue as more people turn to Youtube personalities over traditional journalist sites? Even if we look at Giant Bomb, one could argue much of the content is equivocal to most popular 'Let's Play' videos on the internet these days - I sometimes wonder if there is any structural divide left between the guy doing a Let's Play of a new game by himself and a Quick Look Solo with Patrick.

Maybe that's pertinent to a different discussion, but as a viewer I see these articles about people on Youtube organising questionable deals with publishers and then I see the similarity in content style between Giant Bomb and those Youtube personalities and I begin to wonder how people new to all of this style of content will even be able to identify a difference between the two without the context of having followed a site like this for a few years while the Let's Play bubble was still small.

In short: are we even talking about journalist ethics any more, or just the ethics of content creators with a large following and influence?

"In short: are we even talking about journalist ethics any more, or just the ethics of content creators with a large following and influence?"

You nailed it. I think this is the issue. I know like 6 people I would call journalists in this industry. The rest are critics and entertainers. It doesn't make their work any less relevant.

I think we all have to been on the lookout for behavior that makes us (the gaming community) look rotten.

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I wasn't sure about this letter to the editor, despite it being very well written and the fact that I love when "Jeff gets real." I am one of those "both sides" assholes who like to point out that there has been some extreme terribleness coming from both directions. Plus, Giant Bomb being called out to say something felt to me like those who constantly call out Muslims to say something against ISIS to prove they are "good Muslims" or some crap. I didn't see what difference it would make.

The comments made by @vinny in this thread have changed my mind. This may sound cliched, but I love Vinny. I have read hundreds of comments about this whole situation over the last month, but he put things in a way that really helped me to understand the situation. GamerGate is crap. You may agree with what it is saying, but it was literally founded on gossip and scandal, not on a quest for journalistic integrity. The accusations from the very beginning against Zoe Quin read like something from TMZ. That is the foundation of GamerGate: a personal issue that no one should be concerned with. From there, some Frankenstein idea of ethics emerged, but the ground was tainted from the beginning. "You can't build something off a pile of corpses" is exactly right. Now, ISIS and GG are NOWHERE in the same league and I would never suggest that, but if members of ISIS were to come out and say "nah, that the people decapitating heads in my ISIS are crazy, but us over here actually want to talk about our problems with America," my suggestion to them would be just to start a whole new group completely divorced from the crazy people.

GamerGate is like some blob from a horror movie. It has no head, no body, or really know driving force. It just kind of flops about, destroying things. To those of you pointing out how the aggression and death threats from the anti-GG is being overlooked, THAT is the difference. They are human beings who are scared and have coherent points who are super scared of this blob tumbling towards them. Now, I'm not saying aggressive threats should be excused, but GG has been so formless and toxic that there isn't much to do to fight against it. Some one claiming to be from GG could attack some one else at any time for any reason and then just scream "ETHICS!"

I may be biased. I love Zoe Quinn and am still flabbergasted on how she ended up as patient zero for this whole thing. Still, I have a lot of problems with the way the progressive criticism has been conducted on gaming sites for the last year. I don't think it is corrupt, but rather very human. The critics (rightfully) point out that they can't be silenced because you don't want to read it, see it, or agree with it, but then they turn around doing the same things, acting like criticism and their perspective is infallible. Plus, there is problematic group think that I see in both ideologies.

But guess what? One side is writing editorials, making videos, and speaking in public. They may be aggressive and rough and perhaps even hyperbolic, but at least they are being constructive. The blob known as GamerGate just screams on twitter and sends death threats to people. I haven't even seen a well constructed article from that side even on a tumblr.

This whole thing is a mess and GG people do not deserve harassment, but your cause is too mutated and vindictive to be effective. Cut yourself free and escape the blob is what I say.

I found your thoughts to be extremely interesting. This might sound pandering, but it's one of the best posts I've read on this about seeing a different perspective.