What is the point in being a PC gamer anymore?

I have been getting upset recently with all the talk of the PC being dead. Now I don't give a **** if someone already posted something much like my post. So don't bother commenting if that is your comment, cause I have something to say.

I watched E3 with my fingers crossed, hoping to see the next big PC game. But I was thrown a loop by the amount of console games vs pc games. Also the fact that games like Killzone 2 blows every other game out of the water in terms of graphics, even Pc games. Now I purpose a question to all of you thinking of "staying true" to the PC. Where is the PC's killzone, or GoW2, or halo, or any game that really stands out. You might say "what about wow, or spore, or crysis". To which I will reply, they are fun but they aren't competitive like their console brothers. Wow is an mmo, yes they have arenas, but it isnt like a GOW where you and your friends can jump in and have fun for a few hours without half of the time you spend ingame is getting to the arena. Spore, is not multiplayer, and Crysis is NOT optimized, idc what anyone says it is not. Then you can look at games like far cry2, left for dead, ect. But those games are also coming out on consoles, and will be limited in graphical power.

When is a developer going to go "balls to the wall" with a title for the PC. I see a lot of European developers going that route, but i am sorry, they dont have the proper resources or knowedge to really optimize a game like Western developers (crytek, funcom vs an american blizzard).

The thing that gets me, is when i spend $2000+ on a computer (one that i built myself) and where my GPU is the same price as the PS3, and games are looking much better on the PS3 then on the PC. Where is the justice in purchasing something that expensive(a PC) and not being rewarded with any software that makes it look or play better then any console AAA title on the market now.

When the **** are PC developers, NO, PC gamers going to wake the **** up and try and do something about this problem? When?

I don't like PC gaming

360 and PS3 make up for it

"I have been getting upset recently with all the talk of the PC being dead. Now I don't give a **** if someone already posted something much like my post. So don't bother commenting if that is your comment, cause I have something to say.

I watched E3 with my fingers crossed, hoping to see the next big PC game. But I was thrown a loop by the amount of console games vs pc games. Also the fact that games like Killzone 2 blows every other game out of the water in terms of graphics, even Pc games. Now I purpose a question to all of you thinking of "staying true" to the PC. Where is the PC's killzone, or GoW2, or halo, or any game that really stands out. You might say "what about wow, or spore, or crysis". To which I will reply, they are fun but they aren't competitive like their console brothers. Wow is an mmo, yes they have arenas, but it isnt like a GOW where you and your friends can jump in and have fun for a few hours without half of the time you spend ingame is getting to the arena. Spore, is not multiplayer, and Crysis is NOT optimized, idc what anyone says it is not. Then you can look at games like far cry2, left for dead, ect. But those games are also coming out on consoles, and will be limited in graphical power.

When is a developer going to go "balls to the wall" with a title for the PC. I see a lot of European developers going that route, but i am sorry, they dont have the proper resources or knowedge to really optimize a game like Western developers (crytek, funcom vs an american blizzard).

The thing that gets me, is when i spend $2000+ on a computer (one that i built myself) and where my GPU is the same price as the PS3, and games are looking much better on the PS3 then on the PC. Where is the justice in purchasing something that expensive(a PC) and not being rewarded with any software that makes it look or play better then any console AAA title on the market now.

When the **** are PC developers, NO, PC gamers going to wake the **** up and try and do something about this problem? When?

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PC gaming rocks! It's a unique brand of gaming and it's worth it for those who enjoy more custom options and a wide-variety of titles.

Diablo 3 and starcraft 2 are not coming out for a least another year. Even then i want a FPS my friends an i can jump into and just have fun in like a halo or a Gow, with controls that use a mouse and not a controller is all i fucking ask for. But it isnt that simple. My friends computer is low end and he has trouble running TF2 on it. So is he going to spend at least 1200 on a new computer OR 300 on an Xbox 360? seriously what would you do? With that HUGE price difference i should be shitting on console games with my pc. But i am not, there is no justice in purchasing a gaming computer over a 360, which is why i have to believe pcs as gaming plateforms are dead compared to the consoles. for what i am looking for anyway.

"'''''''''''''''''The thing that gets me, is when i spend $2000+ on a computer (one that i built myself) and where my GPU is the same price as the PS3, and games are looking much better on the PS3 then on the PC. Where is the justice in purchasing something that expensive(a PC) and not being rewarded with any software that makes it look or play better then any console AAA title on the market now.'''''''''''''

I totally agree with you on that. With a 600 dollar GPU, you should be able to max out all the PC games you get for the next 10 years. But instead, a 600 dollar GPU cant even max out a game like Crysis (I know Crysis is a really high-tech game at the moment but I cant stand buying a game that I KNOW i wont be able to look at in its full potential).
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CRYSIS IS NOT OPTIMIZED, THEY FUCKED UP WHEN THEY MADE THAT GAME. AND FUTURE PROOFING?!??!!? why would i go back in 3/4 years and play that game when NO ONE IS PLAYING IT NOW. AND WHEN THERE WILL BE NEWER GAMES THEN ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR this is the stupidity that is killing PC gaming

You spend 2000+ on a PC that you built yourself? Wow. Just wow.

"CRYSIS IS NOT OPTIMIZED, THEY FUCKED UP WHEN THEY MADE THAT GAME. AND FUTURE PROOFING?!??!!? why would i go back in 3/4 years and play that game when NO ONE IS PLAYING IT NOW. AND WHEN THERE WILL BE NEWER GAMES THEN ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR this is the stupidity that is killing PC gaming"

Blog it?

"Blog it?
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"You spend 2000+ on a PC that you built yourself? Wow. Just wow.
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"I posted something here and it's gone, that pisses me off."

Thats gay.

"You made two threads."

"CRYSIS IS NOT OPTIMIZED, THEY FUCKED UP WHEN THEY MADE THAT GAME. AND FUTURE PROOFING?!??!!? why would i go back in 3/4 years and play that game when NO ONE IS PLAYING IT NOW. AND WHEN THERE WILL BE NEWER GAMES THEN ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR this is the stupidity that is killing PC gaming"

"phatkav said:

"You spend 2000+ on a PC that you built yourself? Wow. Just wow.
"

Yes, go on NEWEGG.com and build a top end gaming Rig and you will see how much it costs. Then compare that to the price of high end DELL computers and you will see how bad they fuck over the consumer when selling a "High End System""

I hate the little kids on xbox as much as anyone else. But the way they have xbox live organized is amazing. And dude, calm down, you sound like an ass. I am making legit arguments about the industry and all you are saying is i sound like a dumb ass...good job there ;-). The point i am maing is that there needs to be some sort of change in the PC industry. Either they optimize games better or sell the hardware at cheaper prices. Bc you have to upgrade every year to stay high end, and even then most games still shit on your PC. Even if they dont look amazing, like Killzone 2 graphiclly looks amazing, the AI in the game IS amazing. Much better then in Crysis. They have a lot riding on that game it IS NOT going to get  a 6. So before you come on forums and post some bullshit about the author of the post, why dont you read some real articles from people in the industry who have had hands on with Killzone 2. Dont judge something without knowing anything about it. That, sir, is the stupidity i am talking about.

And I thought stupidity couldn't get any worse. Upgrade every year? Wow. Please make some legitimate arguments next time and stop making BS. 

"phatkav said:

"You spend 2000+ on a PC that you built yourself? Wow. Just wow.
"

Yes, go on NEWEGG.com and build a top end gaming Rig and you will see how much it costs. Then compare that to the price of high end DELL computers and you will see how bad they fuck over the consumer when selling a "High End System""

"Guiltyspark said:

"Cherrypopp1ns said:

"CRYSIS IS NOT OPTIMIZED, THEY FUCKED UP WHEN THEY MADE THAT GAME. AND FUTURE PROOFING?!??!!? why would i go back in 3/4 years and play that game when NO ONE IS PLAYING IT NOW. AND WHEN THERE WILL BE NEWER GAMES THEN ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR this is the stupidity that is killing PC gaming"

the stupidity that is killing PC gaming are people like yourself

PC has better mature hardcore games that the consoles will never have , but im talking to somone who thinks killzone 2 looks amazing so i might as well be talking to a shoe with a turd in it  
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Oh god, why the f*** dd you have to bring killzone 2 into this??? I could rite 2 paragraphs about how your wrong but by then, this thread will be locked rite before i click submit."

PC gaming is mostly dead. Outside of the very slim handful of *good* PC-only games, a gaming PC isn't worthwhile. The PS3 and XBox 360 have basically closed the gap between console and PC games. In 5 years from now we'll wonder how PC games ever made it. Why bother with paying a few grand every couple years to play something on a PC when you can use a nice HDTV and a *simple* console and play the same game in an equal (and often times better) gaming environment.

It's sad to see the PC dying, but face it, it's almost dead.

"Guiltyspark said:

"Cherrypopp1ns said:

"phatkav said:

"You spend 2000+ on a PC that you built yourself? Wow. Just wow.
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Yes, go on NEWEGG.com and build a top end gaming Rig and you will see how much it costs. Then compare that to the price of high end DELL computers and you will see how bad they fuck over the consumer when selling a "High End System""

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"PC gaming is mostly dead. Outside of the very slim handful of *good* PC-only games, a gaming PC isn't worthwhile. The PS3 and XBox 360 have basically closed the gap between console and PC games. In 5 years from now we'll wonder how PC games ever made it. Why bother with paying a few grand every couple years to play something on a PC when you can use a nice HDTV and a *simple* console and play the same game in an equal (and often times better) gaming environment.

It's sad to see the PC dying, but face it, it's almost dead.
"

"PC gaming is mostly dead. Outside of the very slim handful of *good* PC-only games, a gaming PC isn't worthwhile. The PS3 and XBox 360 have basically closed the gap between console and PC games. In 5 years from now we'll wonder how PC games ever made it. Why bother with paying a few grand every couple years to play something on a PC when you can use a nice HDTV and a *simple* console and play the same game in an equal (and often times better) gaming environment.

It's sad to see the PC dying, but face it, it's almost dead.
"

"Cherrypopp1ns said:

"phatkav said:

"You spend 2000+ on a PC that you built yourself? Wow. Just wow.
"

Yes, go on NEWEGG.com and build a top end gaming Rig and you will see how much it costs. Then compare that to the price of high end DELL computers and you will see how bad they fuck over the consumer when selling a "High End System""

sigh.... please stop being a joke. You can get a very excellent PC for less $2000. It's been proven by everyone. A lot of people have done it countless times on system wars on GS.
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FIRST OFF

phatkav said:

"And I thought stupidity couldn't get any worse. Upgrade every year? Wow. Please make some legitimate arguments next time and stop making BS. 
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dcpc10 said:

"Guiltyspark said:

"Cherrypopp1ns said:

"CRYSIS IS NOT OPTIMIZED, THEY FUCKED UP WHEN THEY MADE THAT GAME. AND FUTURE PROOFING?!??!!? why would i go back in 3/4 years and play that game when NO ONE IS PLAYING IT NOW. AND WHEN THERE WILL BE NEWER GAMES THEN ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR this is the stupidity that is killing PC gaming"

the stupidity that is killing PC gaming are people like yourself

PC has better mature hardcore games that the consoles will never have , but im talking to somone who thinks killzone 2 looks amazing so i might as well be talking to a shoe with a turd in it  
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Oh god, why the f*** dd you have to bring killzone 2 into this??? I could rite 2 paragraphs about how your wrong but by then, this thread will be locked rite before i click submit."

"Cherrypopp1ns said:

"phatkav said:

"You spend 2000+ on a PC that you built yourself? Wow. Just wow.
"

Yes, go on NEWEGG.com and build a top end gaming Rig and you will see how much it costs. Then compare that to the price of high end DELL computers and you will see how bad they fuck over the consumer when selling a "High End System""

YOU

ARE

A

FUCKING

IDIOT


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Maybe most of you dont realize what i realize. That was the point of this post. But i forgot how ignorant people in forums can be. I have a legit point, and if you are not willing to listen and understand and have a REAL conversation on a topic, then dont bother coming on forums. 

Stalkers story is bawls dude stop toating it like its the fucking bible

Your prices are very inflated. Tell your friend to buy an 8800gt for around 120 dollars, and you can play almost everything maxed out.

PC gaming is much more open then console gaming is.

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FIRST OFF

phatkav said:

"And I thought stupidity couldn't get any worse. Upgrade every year? Wow. Please make some legitimate arguments next time and stop making BS. 
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IF you want to have the highest end pc, then you upgrade every year. That makes sense to someone who realizes that new shit comes out every year. So maybe you didnt know that... ok. moving on.

dcpc10 said:

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i know crysis is a great looking game, i own it. But the multiplayer isnt really that run. I mean cmon, there isnt even a team DM... that is shit.

"Can we argue maturely here people?

Cherrypopp1ns said:

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FIRST OFF

phatkav said:

"And I thought stupidity couldn't get any worse. Upgrade every year? Wow. Please make some legitimate arguments next time and stop making BS. 
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IF you want to have the highest end pc, then you upgrade every year. That makes sense to someone who realizes that new shit comes out every year. So maybe you didnt know that... ok. moving on.

dcpc10 said:

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You dont need the highest end PC to play games.  If that was true, consoles would either be upgradable or not exist all together...because as soon as they come out they're dwarfed by some new PC hardware.  While Killzone 2 is a pretty game, its just due to the fact that Sony actually made a slight attempt at making the PS3 not be dated as soon as it came out.  In a year or two, I'm sure were see some games for PC that just blow it away...if Crysis doesnt already.  At least Crysis has color...black and white is a lot easier to pull off graphically than a colorful game.
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One word imo: Piracy.

"One word imo: Piracy.
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I don't think Killzone will be "THE" multiplayer game either.  I'll be playing Socom for that.  For PC though, Team Fortress 2 continues to be my favorite, followed by Call of Duty 4.  Which, while both are on console, neither have recieved the support they have on PC (TF2 especially, tons of currently exclusive content plus the huge modding community) compared to the consoles.

A gtx 280 or a gx2 will not really be able to play games on the pc and PS3 quaility once games start looking like killzone 2 on the PC.

Okay first of all this is the biggest noob shithead i have seen yet on these boards and to beat the sony fans thats quite an accomplisment.

Okay you say high end gaming machine right?
It costs 2000 dollars right?

Wrong , if you want a pc that will keep you playing games on high for around 3-4 years the most you would EVER have to spend is 1000 bucks.
All you would need for a future proof computer is this

Dual core http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037
ATI 4870 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102748

go and look it up

"hazelnutman said:

"One word imo: Piracy.
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For hardware????? which is what this thread is about?"

PC gaming is for certain people.  Some people will be into it, others won't.  Console gaming is simply different from pc.  For the most part,  I view the pc as a platform for strategy games and shooters as well as the occassional rpg.  

It's not that it's neccessarily so bad or so awesome, it's just for different folks.

"i know crysis is a great looking game, i own it. But the multiplayer isnt really that run. I mean cmon, there isnt even a team DM... that is shit."

shit i guess i need to give you a play by play... ok shit

4870x2 (which is what HIGH END IS. the 4870 is mid range u noob)-gonna be 450-500

Q6600-194 (there was just a price drop on this, and this is NOT high end either. If you want high end http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115026 )

antex 1200    $215      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043&Tpk=Antec%2bTwelve 

HDD - $100 if you only want one, which high end usually have 2 for raid conigs. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145166&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-22-145-166-_-Homepage

ram 4 gigs -$100 ram is cheap nowadays http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145194

MB (thats motherboard ...) to get one that is high end and that will use pci x16 2.0 and have a good FSB $450 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131321

Power supply to "Future proof it", you need something that will let you have sli on the high end card you currently have... that is a LOT of power needed. $330 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121040

Then sound card is around 100, AND i wont even go into power protection.

Monitor. What is the point in having all this GPU power without a high end monitor? $380 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001282

The GRAND TOTAL comes out to about 2300-2400

OR you can just by one pre build with different specs for $3900 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227076

"Cherrypopp1ns said:

"i know crysis is a great looking game, i own it. But the multiplayer isnt really that run. I mean cmon, there isnt even a team DM... that is shit."

such a noob
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shit i guess i need to give you a play by play... ok shit

4870x2 (which is what HIGH END IS. the 4870 is mid range u noob)-gonna be 450-500

Q6600-194 (there was just a price drop on this, and this is NOT high end either. If you want high end http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115026 )

antex 1200    $215      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043&Tpk=Antec%2bTwelve 

HDD - $100 if you only want one, which high end usually have 2 for raid conigs. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145166&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-22-145-166-_-Homepage

ram 4 gigs -$100 ram is cheap nowadays http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145194

MB (thats motherboard ...) to get one that is high end and that will use pci x16 2.0 and have a good FSB $450 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131321

Power supply to "Future proof it", you need something that will let you have sli on the high end card you currently have... that is a LOT of power needed. $330 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121040

Then sound card is around 100, AND i wont even go into power protection.

Monitor. What is the point in having all this GPU power without a high end monitor? $380 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001282

The GRAND TOTAL comes out to about 2300-2400

OR you can just by one pre build with different specs for $3900 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227076

"

sigh

The stupidity continues...

wow your dumb

lol

BU BUT YOU NEED 2 CARDS TO MAKE IT TEH MORE POWERFULER!11

HIGH END PC MEANS WASTING AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE LOOK !

wow... i dont even know how to reply to you... it is like talking to an 8 yr old. Do you understand that once this card and this hardware becomes outdated. That if i would want to play the newest games on the highest settings ( which IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT WHEN I SAY HIGH END... just to clear shit up) that i would either need to upgrade my entire PC bc there are new compatability issues or i could just add another card... you are just stupid... how old are you? Do you have any idea what you are talking abot when i say high end? oh no wait.. you are just going to say i am a noob or i am stupid... but then follow up with zero evidence... which then in turn makes you look retarded

Only a hardware enthusiast buys something like that, you definately don't need to spend that much to play games on PC. If you buy a rig like that, and then feel bitter about it because there are no games to take advantage of it, you only have yourself to blame. Why on earth would a software company make a game targeted to people who own that type of rigs, when it would cost more money to develop and would reduce the potential buyers into a handfull of rich nerds.

"Only a hardware enthusiast buys something like that, you definately don't need to spend that much to play games on PC. If you buy a rig like that, and then feel bitter about it because there are no games to take advantage of it, you only have yourself to blame. Why on earth would a software company make a game targeted to people who own that type of rigs, when it would cost more money to develop and would reduce the potential buyers into a handfull of rich nerds.
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I think PC gaming is dying, and you would have to be blind to disagree with that. It's not what it used to be and its not becoming what it used to be again anytime soon, its going the opposite way.

PC gaming owns console gaming in every way... gameplay, graphics and game selections!!!

if pc gaming was dead, people wouldn't say it was dying now, would they?