@seikenfreak said:
It comes off as shitty for me to say this, but I think if the game type is clearly not for you, maybe your opinion on these games should hold less value. I don't really play fighting games, and I suck at them, so I think it would be really unfair for me to come in and say "DragonBall FighterZ sucks. I can't do combos or anything, everyone beats me every time. It plays like shit." and then Jason says.. "Actually, the entire fighting community is in love with it.. It's highly praised for it's controls and gameplay.." and I reply with.. "Well it's shit. They're all crazy." On the other hand, if I were to talk about a racing sim, I think I know what I'm talking about more than say.. Jeff, who has expressed complete disinterest in that genre and specifically wants something super arcadey. If he doesn't like a racing sim.. well that's kinda irrelevant.
It's all just people assigning weights to each others' opinions on the internet, but I lean towards saying that it is indeed just shitty of you to say this.
Come time for RDR3, once RDR2's impact has had time to be absorbed by the community and reshape expectations, you might have a point. But up until the release of RDR2, it was hard to miss evidence of the fact that Dan was a central exhibit of the "RDR fan" demographic, which makes weighing in on the game as fair game for him as for anyone. He was gushing about all the same sorts of RDR1 open-world nonsense antics that everyone else seemed to have whenever the game came up. It's pretty clear perusing discussion of RDR2 across the internet (including in the comments section for the deliberations in which Most Disappointing Game took place) that the game has been very polarizing for the fan base, and for good reasons. Your remarks basically amount to a claim that the people on the negative side of the newly formed schism are not "true" RDR fans or didn't truly embrace the "right" things about the original, which is really shitty. It's okay for R* to disappoint a chunk of their fanbase and cater exclusively to the remainder who appreciate the purity of mechanics they're going for, but there's no getting around the fact that those former fans have been let down.
wrt your fighting game example, a more suitable comparison might be coming to the (eventually beloved) Street Fighter III after being a veteran of SFII, and being disappointed by the unfamiliar mechanics like parries and the weakened zoning and lack of familiar roster. It doesn't take away from 3rd Strike being an FGC darling that a lot of SF fans just can't stand anything about III. You can make the case that those fans fail to appreciate what 3rd Strike has going for it, but it is shitty to call those fans' views illegitimate. The III series of games is simultaneously immensely beloved and immensely disappointing.
Another example: Majora's Mask is my favourite game of all time, if I had to name one. A lot of the GB crew (especially Jeff) hate it. Hearing Jeff unrelentingly shit on my favourite game can be grating, and I do hope that views like his don't kill a variety of game that I'm into, but I can't say that his opinion ought to be assigned less weight in... well, speaking from nearly two decades of remove from the release of a game, it can become extra apparent how silly it is to even bother thinking about how much relative importance to lend each others' opinions. I mean, is Jeff's opinion of Majora's Mask going to drag it downwards on the Definitive Eternal Platonic Objective Ranking of All Video Games list? Who cares?
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I actually found the pro-RDR2 side of Most Disappointing more, well, disappointing. They seemed intent on conflating "disappointing" with "objectively bad", as though unable to reconcile the idea of a truly great game by the standards of some, having immense capacity for disappointment for others. I felt like someone needed to pause the deliberations and remind some people that the category wasn't Worst Game, so they could take their very low levels of disappointment and step aside while people with extremely high levels of disappointment did their work. I'm glad Dan came out on top here.
Hell, a game can be simultaneously utterly mind-blowing and sorely disappointing for one person. In 2017, the strongest year in gaming in recent times as far as I can tell, Breath of the Wild was my GOTY. I sunk ~400 hours into that game, I even have the dubious honour of having Hestu's golden poop sitting in my inventory to commemorate collecting all 900 Korok seeds. But also, if I were to name a most disappointing game of 2017, it'd be BotW without contest. Nintendo schooled every other open-world game dev shop in the industry on how it's done, but somehow they completely missed the opportunity to seamlessly blend their iconic Zelda dungeon design into the remarkable experience they created. I really badly want those integrated dungeons. You could argue that I should "cancel" my disappointment against my love for that game and move it to 3rd or so on my GOTY list overall, but that just wouldn't be right.
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