Oh my God... this download for the DLC is only a few KBs... this must mean...

Situation 1

Situation 2

So what have we learned?

Oh my God... this download for the DLC is only a few KBs... this must mean...

Situation 1

Situation 2

So what have we learned?

Situation 1 was riveting. Bloody hell, riveting. 
 
And I agree with you.

I feel like if I'm paying for a disc, I should gain access to the things on that disc. 

I love this thread. i don't even have an opinion, i wanna get down with ted's wife.

Both your "situations" assume the DDLC isn't integral or even "unfinished". I can't think of any DDLC that falls into either category.  
 
If it's on the disc, it's on the fucking disc. I purchased a piece of media, and am entitled to that media. Imagine if music CD's came with "bonus tracks" on the disc... that you had to pay to unlock.  
 
The real reason they're doing this (I believe) is to skimp on bandwidth costs. That's inexcusable.

Shawn: Hey, Call of Combat: Modern Duty has a pretty good single player, eh Steve? 

" Both your "situations" assume the DDLC isn't integral or even "unfinished". I can't think of any DDLC that falls into either category.  "

I'm a wizard, and I've been doing Ted's wife. Anyway, I've never thought of it like that before. You think of it like @GlenTennis: "hey you want them to give it to you or not?" But then again we have no proof that THAT type of thinking is actually what is going on. If it is awesome, if not FUCK Company X and Ted's wife.

" I feel like if I'm paying for a disc, I should gain access to the things on that disc.  "

I, usually, don't have issue with DLC. 
 
And I don't have issue with launch DLC. 
 
But I'm totally not OK at all with DLC on the disc. 
 
Launch DLC can be justified by the gap between going "gold" and release... if it makes it on the disc it's pretty shady to sell it to me. 

The way I look at it, if the game is already worth your $60 or whatever, don't worry about it. And if Game X was really expensive to make and they need to recoup their costs a bit, but it was a genuinely good game, I'm fine with them selling DLC. 
 
But games that offend me with how stupid their DLC is? I will never buy those.   
 

@CH3BURASHKA

" I purchased a piece of media, and am entitled to that media. Imagine if music CD's came with "bonus tracks" on the disc... that you had to pay to unlock. "

Situation 1 was riveting. Bloody hell, riveting. 
 
And I agree with you.

I am sad there was a "women are whores and objects for men to use" joke in this.  hurr durr what a slut lol etc. Lame.

 I like DLC in general, but if it's on the disc and I have to pay for it later, I'm going to feel a little bit cheated. There's really no good reason to have completed content locked on a disc, other than cash monies. It's pretty skeezy for a company to do that to their supporters IMO.

" (P.S. Does it feel dirty defending multi-million dollar companies? It sure does. "

DLC is good when it couldn't be done for release. So those extra levels that couldn't be finished and released later are ok. But that means it will be released later. If it is on disc that means it is done. Things that are done should not be DLC and included. Anything on disc should come with the price of purchase. Don't release it later if it is done "release" it by making it come with it. If you are afraid its not part of the real game just put it in a different menu, like Zombies mode for call of Duty. 

" I am sad there was a "women are whores and objects for men to use" joke in this.  hurr durr what a slut lol etc. Lame.  "

what if everybody is required to download a 'title update' so that everyone have the same assets in their game, but only the ones that pay have the access to it?

The way I see it it's like a Director's cut DVD; where you'd expect to pay more for a more extensive experience. I imagine that unlike film companies, game producers can't afford to produce two separate discs per platform, one featuring the extra content and one not. Also as far as I'm aware, when you purchase a game you're purchasing a licence to the software and thus are not entitled to everything on the disc. Although I do agree it's a bad practice. 

" If it's on the disk then the unlock should be free, for I have already purchased the entirety of the disk and therefore every byte of data on it. If the DLC is not on the disk itself then It is entirely fair to charge for it. "

" @extremeradical: Fixed, thank you. 
 
@___pocalypse said:

" I am sad there was a "women are whores and objects for men to use" joke in this.  hurr durr what a slut lol etc. Lame.  "

That's not the joke I was trying to make at all. I, for one, have never talked with co-workers infront of a water cooler, but based off of what I've seen on Mad Men I assume all the conversations lead to one character revealing how they've cheated on the other character's significant other.  To any women offended by my statement I'm sorry, and in my next hypothetical situation it will be women talking about how they slept with eachothers' husbands. "

" what if everybody is required to download a 'title update' so that everyone have the same assets in their game, but only the ones that pay have the access to it? "

" I understand when DLC comes out soon after release it means it was being developed after development on the game was finished. I'm cool with that. "

" @niamahai said:

" what if everybody is required to download a 'title update' so that everyone have the same assets in their game, but only the ones that pay have the access to it? "

EA does this on some of their PS3 games in the form of patches, and every iOS game does it too. 
 
What does everyone think about this? It's not on the disc, but it isn't a separate download either. 
 
@Dtat said:

" I understand when DLC comes out soon after release it means it was being developed after development on the game was finished. I'm cool with that. "

I seriously doubt that that's always true. "

" @___pocalypse: Point taken. Next hypothetical situation will involve a guitar-playing chimpanzee riding a donkey. That way everybody wins. "

I think the whole gaming industry is a mess with stuff like pre-order bonuses and DDLC. Hopefully with the disc-less future we'll see an end to this stuff. 
 
disc-less...disc-less....disc-less....doesn't that word look odd to you?  

DLC on disk isn't always inexcusable.  There are people that want the base game and people who will pay for more.  That's really all there is too it.

" I think the whole gaming industry is a mess with stuff like pre-order bonuses and DDLC. Hopefully with the disc-less future we'll see an end to this stuff.  disc-less...disc-less....disc-less....doesn't that word look odd to you?   "

" I'm only okay with on the disc DLC if it is something that people who bought the game new get for free.  That seems to be the trend anyway.  It's a good way for the game makers to say "FUCK YOU!" to GameStop. "

It's a really simple question: How do you sell a $60 game for $70 at no extra cost? It's really not that complicated.

Another point is that patches can be several megabytes. If the DLC is really small, they can put it out through the patch, and then have the download be an unlock key.

There is no reason, ever, for DLC locked on a shipped disc should be okay, in any consumer's mind. Video games are products, not services. Services you pay a fee to use, and are locked into a license agreement. Products, you buy, and you use however you see fit. 
 
I don't give a flying goddamn what some "ToS" buried in the back of a manual says. Companies that deal in electronic goods have tried to pull this crap before in telling the consumer how their product can be used, and they've been smacked down for it. The worst thing is when you see consumers encouraging the behaviour that fucks over other consumers. It's like everyone is in such a rush to the trough and don't care how they get it, how much money they spend, or how brutally one sided the terms are. It's disgusting, honestly.

" @HatKing said:

" I'm only okay with on the disc DLC if it is something that people who bought the game new get for free.  That seems to be the trend anyway.  It's a good way for the game makers to say "FUCK YOU!" to GameStop. "

Why do people think Gamestop is the only place to buy used games? "

Don't worry duder, I'm brining my harddrive right now. 

" I, usually, don't have issue with DLC.  And I don't have issue with launch DLC.  But I'm totally not OK at all with DLC on the disc.  Launch DLC can be justified by the gap between going "gold" and release... if it makes it on the disc it's pretty shady to sell it to me.  "

That still doesn't make sense. "Oh hey, we can't finish the level or the level doesn't look good with the game. So, let's sell it separately instead". Why not just offer the damn thing for free on the disc. In all seriousness, that sounds like the company trying to make a quick buck.

I hope this doesn't lead to companies eventually make us pay "per level" in games. I can see it now, (insert $5 to see what happens next!)
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EDIT2: adding ,), to comply with thread. (i liked it before.

  To any women offended by my statement I'm sorry, and in my next hypothetical situation it will be women talking about how they slept with eachothers' husbands. "

" This is old news "

Ted's wife sounds hot.

Dirty or not, you're still dead on.

"If it's on the disc, it's on the fucking disc. I purchased a piece of media, and am entitled to that media. Imagine if music CD's came with "bonus tracks" on the disc... that you had to pay to unlock.   The real reason they're doing this (I believe) is to skimp on bandwidth costs. That's inexcusable. "

Remember back in the day when this stuff would be left on the cutting room floor? The only reason you would know it existed was through some developer going "Yeah, we had more characters/maps/ideas, but we ran short on time so we cut them." 
 
At least we get SOME of these things. Which 5 years ago would have been lost forever.

  I'm sorry, man. But neither of your situations make sense. If they're not sure if it'll make it onto the disc in time, then it's fine if they release it as DLC afterwards, but when it does make it onto the disc before it ships, that invalidates your argument. Since... they did have enough time, so... why did they put it on the disc and then lock it away?
 
As far i can see, the only reason for DLC being on the disc, is business men telling the developers to remove a level or two, so they can make a little bit more money.

I've actually been impressed that most DLC isn't integral to the original game, i.e. I doesn't seem to me like companies are taking stuff out of the game that should be part of the main experience and trying to sell it separately.  Most of the DLC I've gotten seems to only be worthwhile for people who really liked the original game.   
 
I do get a little bit annoyed on the rare occasions when DLC adds something that I think should have been in the main game (e.g. Warden's Keep DLC for Dragon Age adding a party stash for your extra loot).

" I feel like if I'm paying for a disc, I should gain access to the things on that disc.  "

" I've actually been impressed that most DLC isn't integral to the original game, i.e. I doesn't seem to me like companies are taking stuff out of the game that should be part of the main experience and trying to sell it separately.  Most of the DLC I've gotten seems to only be worthwhile for people who really liked the original game.    I do get a little bit annoyed on the rare occasions when DLC adds something that I think should have been in the main game (e.g. Warden's Keep DLC for Dragon Age adding a party stash for your extra loot). "

It's hard for me to say I don't like DLC or DLC already on a disk, because I haven't bought any DLC. Unless, you count the two Oblivion expansion packs that included DLC. I guess I have a voice by not purchasing anything. I'm pretty sure that I'm in the minority though. As more time passes, I'll buy as I might not have a choice.