Nite Three at E3 2019: Editor Check-In!

Abby is so boss in this segment!!

Is this broken? Not playing for me

@drew327: Yeah, this and the last segment seem to be busted. Not playing and no download available.

Made the mistake of watching the fist 12 minutes of this on YouTube and then had a glance on the comments. Was quickly reminded that i was not on GB.com.

Bought the Bin Laden raid audiobook 'No Easy Day' immediately after Dan's effusive account of it.

Also. CoD sounds promising.

I hope CoD is still discussion worthy when it comes out. Would really like it to carry the tone GB saw in one level throughout an entire game.

Talking about angering the fanbase for FF7 remake is interesting considering how much they changed the battle system which angered me

I would love to see COD have a more serious take on war

Man, I love Alex's face during the CoD discussion. There's waiting your turn to speak and then there's locking your jaw so you don't start yelling about militarism

I really don't like Abby on in depth gaming discussions. I don't say this lightly, because I love GB and I don't want to come off as mean, but Abby gives off an imposing vibe. "Games need to be a certain way, because they're dumb if they're not."

The way she talks about COD shows her lack of historica knowledge. COD campaigns originally were these roller coaster rides that punched you in the gut with the brutality of war. It's not a game of paintball. Yeah, they're not war sims, they're not meant to be. They're meant to be the Normandy scene of Saving Private Ryan, eight hours in a row.

"They should be fun, I don't like their artistic choices." I don't like the artistic choices that soap opera shows make, because I hate everything about them. That's why I don't watch them. They're not meant for me. I can tell you why, but claiming it 'should' be X and Y, would mean a change of genre, and a loss for all fans of Riverdale and shows of their ilk.

Abby is fun in videos that revolve around a group of colleagues/friends having fun with a game. Whenever she gives her opinions in videos like this and in the GOTY discussion, I genuinely cringe and turn down the volume.

I know I'm probably gonna be boo'ed off the stage here, so to speak. People will claim I'm an angry YouTube commenter, ignoring the fact I've been a premium member for many years now. Hell, I've been a professional game critic for several years because of Jeff and Ryan. So I cannot stress this enough: I don't say this lightly, but I honestly believe Abby has a lot of work to do on her criticism and conversing.

Really like the current GB crew, think its one of the best combos since the Ryan days.

@jodokus_k: Yawn. She's allowed to have different opinions to you. Why pick out Abby? Abby isn't even a 'professional games critic'. She's there as a producer and someone who brings a good on air personality which meshes well with Vinny/Dan/Alex.

Honestly, you come off as a condescending asshole. I hate this so much. Why do people think it's okay to come in here and post this sort of shit directly towards someone who will likely read it? It reminds me of people who directly tweet at writers or directors and say their work is shit. How about you just keep your opinion to your god damn self..

I don't care if you're a games critic. I don't care if you've been premium for many years. Shit, knowing that means you have 0 excuse for the tripe you've just posted. The irony of you posting about not watching soap operas because you don't like them, but continuing to watch content Abby is featured in...Well, I'm sure that's not lost on you, as a 'professional games critic'.

Screw you man, screw you.

@jodokus_k: I agree, thanks for taking one for those of us that feel the same way.

Boy this FFVII remake is soooo weird. When was the last time a Japanese game company went back to a PS1 classic and made a modern version of it that changed some stuff and expanded on parts of the original?

Oh right, RE2 just a few months ago.

@jodokus_k: Doesn't sound like an Abby problem, sounds like a you problem.

Even though you don't want to come off as mean, you did.

Everyone worked their ass off for this so lets be cool and keep your nits to yourself. :)

The download links are still broken for this.

Anyone interested in CoD's new "realistic" direction should read this thread.

https://twitter.com/mistermegative/status/1138806505116000256?s=19

Why did Abby start talking about how she doesn't necessarily know if Americans are the good guys for invading foreign countries, when the demo was about British SAS in London?

Jeff: "Well its set in London, right?"

Abby: "I don't....remember"

Oh, thats why. And fuck Dan for being informed about a significant historical event right? He has information to draw from and Abby just shuts him down. Both of you went to see the demo, why does she keep interrupting and shooting down his opinion? Both of you went, let him speak.

@zoofame

I would argue COD 1, 2 and 4 presented more than "wow, cool, night vision". All COD games after that, yes, agreed. But the origin was very much "gut punch roller coasters" in my opinion.

@valeo @fatwreck

I think it's funny how my criticism is answered with "you're mean!" and "that's like, your opinion man". Criticism means I care, I take the time to write this in the hope that Abby will reflect on how she is perceived versus her intentions. What I hope is that she'll look at someone like Vinny and goes "that's the level of criticism/debate I want to reach" (because usually he's the most level headed person in the room, even if he really hates something; and he's a 'producer').

Abby's arguments ring hollow. It doesn't go much beyond "because I say so". Even when Dan gives a factual argument and reasoning for an artistic choice, her reply is not only a blind refusal of a fact, it's also done in a dismissing way. "Yeah Dan, your argument is factually correct and shows a reason, but I don't care enough to refute your statement". Fine, but then don't debate. Don't make a claim if you can't back it up. Or use feedback to become better, which in turn would make GB better.

Seriously, there's no excuse: GB still has games in the center of it all, so everyone should be able to discuss them at a decent level. I don't know what that exact level is, but it should be to a degree that at least your viewpoints hold water. For example: I can give a thorough explanation of why I don't like the type of difficulty that Dark Souls presents. Doesn't mean they're bad games, but even a fan could go "yeah, I see what you mean, but I don't mind that." Yelling at someone for having more knowledge and a better argument, is the opposite of that.

Abby can dislike COD all she want. She can claim that she would like it to be something else. But take us through your process and how you got to that place. Don't shout people down and be pigheaded about it, because that's not gonna go well with most of the audience, I'd wager. I might come off as a mean something-something, but look at YouTube-comments and the reactions by @ervin080275 and @Conrad148, I'm willing to bet that there are many like me. Most people just don't care enough to respond, which actually is the greater danger. You should always want feedback and treasure it. This is why therapy, coaching, and consultancy costs money: feedback has value.

And if people respond to this message by claiming horrendous and untrue things about me, I'll just stop responding and giving feedback. Which would actually be a disservice to Abby (not saying I'm some high authority, just that anyone caring enough and writing rigorous feedback has value). But that's probably what's gonna happen: I'll get shouted down with hollow or emotional arguments, and then I'll stop caring. And if this trend bleeds into premium content - which will likely take several years, but still - I'll stop paying and visiting.

Here's to hoping I've contributed a tiny bit to the prevention of that occurrence.

@jodokus_k

But at least Abby attempted to express a fledgling concern on western (US & UK) imperialism, something more Americans should have started doing ages ago. There exists a vast bourgeois media apparatus inventing reality for USians every day via anything from pundits to the heavily curated "true testimonials" from troops (some want to pass off as a neutral "factual" account) to these games that want to only "give voice" to marines and those that collaborate. You're fine to say what you want, but no way can you expect to convince people outside the MANY already conveted that it's somehow brave or there is a profound way to indulge the NATO bloc's propaganda. If anyone is actually curious Francis Saunder's books on the Cultural Cold War can give you that detailed insight you might seek into the "art" Americans are to indulge (and for whose benefit) than the controlled leaks breadcrumbed cleverly for us in fake oppositional things like No Easy Day, Zero Dark Thirty, and yes Call of Duty.

@conrad148: I think it's more of an indictment of how US & UK have a shared regional interest and shared mass culture which expresses both their external and internal repression in such a hackneyed way for those beginning to get engaged it seems virtually identical.

The type of scenario described in this Modern Warfare demo is designed to appeal to folks who never served, who think that war is simple and bad guys and good guys are well-defined, who think that shooting someone and finding out it was a justified kill AFTER the fact is how it always happens.

These people don't understand that often, that justification never comes. It doesn't get wrapped up in the span of time covered by a video game mission. Sometimes it doesn't get wrapped up in the span of someone's life. They don't understand that a US Army platoon might roll with an AK-47 hidden in one of their trucks to use as a drop weapon just in case someone makes a decision that turns out to be wrong.

They don't understand what it's like to point a loaded gun at a man and his teenage son because the man was driving his truck faster than he should've been and then pulled down a dirt road when he saw an American convoy. They were transporting fruit in their truck. Nothing happened. Call of Duty doesn't tell you that, years later, if the character you play was a real person, he might wonder what happened to that kid. That maybe that kid grew up to join a group of insurgents because he was sick of feeling helpless. Maybe he got killed when another unit came by a year later and they acted too fast. Hopefully he just grew up and took over his dad's fruit stand on market street.

Call of Duty tries to tell us that no matter what NATO or Coalition forces might do, it's justified. There is nothing wrong with examining that narrative, asking why, and not being satisfied with the answer.

@jodokus_k:

You’re not alone. I usually keep my comments on Abby to myself because there is a very vocal group of people who feel she can do no wrong. I have been with this site for many years and for the most part I appreciate and respect everyone on staff. It’s a real bummer when I’m on board for an in depth discussion about a game and I hear the words “ham fisted” and “for me” a half dozen times without a cohesive* premise behind them. Or the borderline disrespect of another staff members opinion on a game. Yes I know this has been done before especially during GOTY discussions but I can appreciate a good discussion as opposed to a shallow opinion based largely on personal bias, and an added jab at a fellow staff member. Maybe I’m wrong here but I don’t think any one else does this to her in that same way. I could be wrong.

As it pertains to this discussion, If CODs track record is anything to be referenced here, I imagine the developers during the presentation were going for the wow factor. Trying to make snap decisions weighty and intense at the same time. Dialogue in a real life scenario like the one reference above is not always eloquent and meaningful. Also, wanting more narrative an emotion isn’t a bad thing if that’s what they are going for, but I don’t think we should forget that these are video games in which your character(s) kills hundreds of people in the 6-7 hours of campaign gameplay.

TL;DR The elephant in the room.

@valeo:

He’s allowed to have an opinion. Just like Abby and just like you. You’re taking it to another level by telling him to screw himself. You know it is possible to simply say nothing or if you feel strongly about something say “I respect

Your opinion but it’s not in alignment with mine”. Tell him “screw you” is hardly the way to go about disagreeing with someone. This is why him, I, and everyone else who doesn’t find an aspect of this site favorable don’t talk much, it’s because we get attacked. Thanks for proving our point. We don’t have to keep our opinions to ourselves and instead of being a bully try not to let someone else’s opinion drive you to the point of anger and taking it personal.

@fatwreck:

I don’t know if you’ve been around long enough to take part In The surveys GB sent to its subscribers. But a while ago we were given the opportunity to cirque aspects of the site to make it better. Like it or not businesses like feedback (positive and negative) because it helps them make the site better for everyone. Also, you think a comments section is here only for us? It’s here for them to read and take temperature of what works and what doesn’t.

Also, I fail To see the correlation between them working hard and having an opinion on another staff members attitude towards a discussion and treatment of her coworkers (who worked hard too). That’s like me giving a pass to the person who got my order wrong at the drive through because everyone worked hard making the meal. It’s still wrong and as a customer I have the right to a respectful and balanced opinion.

Nobody is perfect which is why for the most part keeping personal preferences on politics, religion, and other divisive topics out of the conversation is very important to the website.

This entire comment section gives COD way more respect than it deserves. It's literally just a silly game about dudes in army gear with guns. Props to the crew for even giving it the time of day honestly.

@jodokus_k: It's very interesting that your secret silent majority of Very Correct men that are getting so suppressed is targeted at a woman. I can't wait for the time that will never come when you actually lecture a man on this site. Your condescension reeks and you don't criticize because you care. You criticize to feel superior. Nothing you say here is constructive in the least and couldn't be directed at any of the other guys at various times. Bet you were silent when they goofed, huh? You're a transparent creep.

@sunlust: That might be plausible, except for the fact that Abby didn't even pick up on the country the demo took place. But honestly I don't care too much about that aspect, I just really really didn't like how everyone shot down Dan's opinion on the demo. He's a senior editor and has been at Giant Bomb for 5 years, they're at E3 and just saw a behind-closed-doors demo. Giant Bomb sent 2 people, but only Abby's opinion was really heard, Dan's was shot down at every opportunity. He has his own perspective, informed by the fact that he read a book on the Bin Laden raid (which this demo is trying to evoke), and everyone just makes jokes and marginalizes his opinion.

I think I understand what Jeff and Abby are saying about cod being manipulative in their presentation. I think for someone like Dan, who's weak and easily manipulated, it works.

@warmonked

I think that's very disrespectful towards Dan. He can be an idiot about cooking egg whites, but his career and success are clear signs of him being anything but weak. If you honestly believe this, I fear for your lack of insight.

@beggary

I think it's very interesting that you strawman, attack personally and react emotionally to a calmly stated opinion that I hold.

But you don't have to "bet" whether I was silent about the other guys. Look at my post history. Seriously, take a look and see for yourself whether I only speak up now because "I want to lecture a woman".

I don't want to play a game of reversal but it seems to me that you're projecting your feelings onto me, without justification. When you're a hammer, all your problems look like nails.

Also, being rude about this only serves to strengthen my earlier point, so that doesn't help your case either.

Never commented before, but...

Every time I read the comments before I watch a video and some "controversy" is going on here, I start watching the video expecting the worst. But it always ends up much ado about nothing. Not bothered at all by the way CoD was discussed on this segment. Feel like it got it's due.

Why is it that any criticism against Abby on this site or youtube is met with the assumption that it's got something to do with her gender? Can't people just be displeased by her behaviour as a person without it immediately devolving into some ridiculous "us vs them" buzz word slinging match?

She's dangerous for the site in my opinion, GB has always been fairly free of politics but she's got an agenda and has continually dragged conversations into waypoint/kotaku/buzzfeed levels of pop-politics without the knowledge to back it up. Most of the games she's complained about she either hasn't tried (see the video above for her fresh takes on the new COD, set in the middle east, where US soliders blaze in and execute surrendering women and children) or she's reused some recycled key phrases from other sites to describe how its been discriminatory/sexist/anti feminist. There's really no need for it at GB.

She could be a man, a woman or a fence post for all I care about her gender, I just plain don't like what she brings to the table and I honestly think she's going to cause damage to the site eventually. No doubt this comment will be met with the normal "KYS" levels of blind, creepy defence for her but as a paid member i'm pretty fed up listening to her aggressive rants and sensational takes, it's literally put me off watching a lot of running features from the GBeast crew.

Peace.

@dazzap: Saying it has nothing to do with her gender and then using ridiculous terms like "dangerous" or saying she'll "cause damage to the site" doesn't help your argument. The other thing that does help is that you and other people here seem are ignoring the fact that Jeff agrees that the emotional stakes of the game seem forced. Jeff also expressed doubt that the game will pull this sort of thing off. Yet Abby is the one whose opinion is criticized.

@conrad148: Him being a senior editor and how long he's been at GB are really weird appeals to authority that have no bearing on the value of his opinion here.

@warmonked: I don't agree with Dan, but that seems like an unfair criticism of him. He doesn't think critically about these things, that's all.

@bladeofcreation Saying that she is dangerous or has the potential to cause damage has literally nothing to do with her gender, it has to do with the hot potato political bullshit that she weaves into her arguments. The kinds of topics she crashes into are the kinds of things that offends and enrages great many people, it's pure bull in a china shop material. Brad's face kind of mirrors mine in this video when she takes off on another of her rants. If any of the other members went to such lengths to poke the buzzfeed hive i'd be equally disappointed in them, regardless of gender.

It's very disappointing nowadays that people can just act like a spoiled brat without consequence and hide behind a cloak of invulnerability by dropping key phrases into their arguments. Her behaviour shouldn't get a free pass just because of her sex or the fact that she's made statements in the past about feminism etc. If she's being an asshole, call her out, same as folks do for the rest of the team. I've never been too fond of the way Ben talks to Matt Rory, does that mean im only pissed at Ben because hes a man, or tall, or white, or of a certain age range? No, it's because he can be an overly boisterous bully sometimes, end of story.

As for Jeff agreeing with her, sure, he does agree that they need to do a good job with the storyline in this game and from listening to him talk about it in the podcast he sounds like he's cautiously confident that they're doing a reasonable job at it and not another "no russian" scene like Abby seems to be expecting.

What negates her points and makes her sound ill-informed is the fact that her tirade starts by stating two facts about the demo that were WAY off base, how can you take her opinions or points seriously when it's pretty clear she paid the demo no attention? Then yet again she's rude to Dan who had fairly decent (for Dan) points to make and completely disarms him. She throws the toys out of the pram when she gets corrected and just looks utterly bored and grumpy for most of this feature. I really do find her to be a source of negativity in the group and its a shame when the rest of the squad seem like a decent bunch of fun people.

How does DazzaP's believe that Abby could harm GB in the long run contradict his stance on gender? That argument stands completely on its own and doesn't have to do with gender at all. If Vinny were to behave like that, HE would be the so called danger. In this case it's Abby.

And what DazzaP has proclaimed is exactly what's happening to me: the political jabs of people like Ben and Abby (and the crew letting those jabs slide because they most likely agree with them) is turning me off. Before 2019, I never missed a single episode of either the Bombcast and BeastCast. Because of the left leaning bias, I've mostly stopped listening. And I'm not conservative; I'm Dutch so I don't even play that game.

To me it's really weird seeing how offended people get because of the feedback aimed at Abby (in this instance). And there's a danger in this behavior and denial, because I'm certainly not the only one who's drifting away from GB.

I still love the duders, but moments like these make me groan and push me away. Especially because Dan is shouted down and not backed up. If there was a nice debate, sure, go ahead. But this behavior (as portrayed by Abby in this instance) is just not something I wanna sponsor.

@jodokus_k: Piss off, man. You're right; you are getting booed off the stage. Stick to "professional" game criticism, as you claim to do, and lay off people until you learn some respect.

And you claim you're not a conservative, but yet the left-leaning bias is driving you to stop listening? Sounds good to me.

Now go away and let the adults talk about video games.

LOL, Really? At what point? When she was looking bored or when she was yawning? Not an Abby hater at all, but she was obviously sick/tired during this segment so I don't really get the "boss" comment. She is generally way more high energy.

Oh, you understand? You've seen the game yourself and have formed your own opinion? What gaming publication do you work for? Seeing as they only showed it to press and all...

And I bet that just as the video segment itself was to you, the game will be equally "not that bad" in terms of its content. There have been so many instances in the past where press have been shown games and they come out and write their inflammatory previews only for the game to release and nobody bats an eye at it. What I'm saying here is that I think CoD will be fine. I generally like Abby quite a bit but I feel like this is most likely a bit of an overreaction. Or maybe just judging too harshly or just expecting a bit too much given the current state of the medium. That's another thing the press tend to love to do: talk about how "small" or lacking in depth certain games are in their depth while completely ignoring that there are just certain technical limitations as to how far a game studio can take certain concepts. But they have to start somewhere.

@amdman: Please don't use my comment to vent your (undeserved) broader issues with games coverage by the press. That was not at all what I was going for, and I in no way recognize the issue you describe as something worth talking about in the context of this segment.

@bonorbitz

Yes, as expected, and in the manner expected: without being able to form an argument with any substance to save your life. Like @valeo and @beggary and @bladeofcreation demonstrated as well, it's all name calling and making false claims. "You're mean" and "you say that because she's a woman" hold no water and have no place in a civil debate, especially when my post history shows I've been critical towards other duders as well.

Also, I'm not a game critic any longer, but I was employed and paid full time to do so. So I mean 'professional' in the literal sense, not in the self congratulating manner.

As for the "left leaning bias"-bit: I'm annoyed by it because snarky comments about (for example) Ubisoft not willing to state their games are political, push people like me away. Why? Because they're dumb, yet GB in their ignorance make fun of Ubisoft, but no one is there to debate it. The GB crew can't make the distinction between a game 'containing politics' and a game 'being political'. Ubisoft uses political themes and tells stories, but they don't aim for a certain political agenda. When The Division 2 opens with "people who had weapons at home, had a better chance of surviving" that totally makes sense and isn't inherently a statement with a political agenda. That's just logic and consistent story telling. But no, the GB crew goes along with the Polygon/Kotaku-narrative and laughs about Ubisoft not willing to state a political standpoint. Which is not only a smart business move, it's their right as a company, and it's very possible to simply tell stories without pushing an agenda.

Also, I think the second amendment is nonsense, so don't go and claim I'm pro-guns, because I'm not. Again, I'm no conservative.

And you and the GB crew should be worried about this polarization and their contribution. Let's say that 15 to 20 percent of the users who've reacted here side on the "I don't like Abby's tone during these discussions"-side. If that extrapolates to the entire audience (I know it doesn't, it could be way higher or lower, but let's), that would be a serious hit to GB's revenue. And without that revenue, GB's future is gonna be tough.

It's not gonna happen within a year, but that's not how you run a company. It's an oil tanker and you need to adjust today for the events of next year. If this tone keeps up, I will guarantee you GB will lose people and feel it. Perhaps it's already happening.

I'm not saying this because I'm a conservative (because I'm not). I'm not saying this because Abby's a woman (because this isn't about gender). I'm saying this as well meant feedback with the hopes of informing Giant Bomb. I've taken the time to write all of this, which shows I care. And I have been nothing but polite and honest. If you think this is just someone 'venting' or whatever, then I hope this shortsightedness doesn't impact the rest of your life, because it's a dangerous. And it's dangerous for GB's long term future as well.

GB hope you’re reading these comments because like it or not there is an issue and it’s dividing your fans.

- Full Disclaimer - I'm ACTUALLY gonna' talk about a VIDEO GAME on this site about VIDEO GAMES!

This new Modern Warfare just sounds like a lesser versions of Spec Ops: The Line. I was real surprised none of them brought that up at any point, but is it possible they never played it to completion?

That thing is fuuuucked up in all the right ways. I recall this one segment where you're dropped into what is basically a slum jam-packed with people, a couple of militants but mainly civilians; a few are firing at you but the majority of them are coming at you with tools or their bare hands. Among them are a ton of people who want NOTHING to do with this, women and men, even children who are just trying to get out of the way

They end up trampled by the masses, or worse yet, pushed forwards and because of the absurd amount of people, you've no choice but to fire indiscriminately into this wave of people coming for you in order to protect yourself. At the end of that segment, you've gunned down innocents and attackers alike, and it's nothing short of horrifying walking down these now corpse-littered streets, seeing children slumped over against a door they couldn't get open in time as only one example.

And that's not even close to some of the atrocities you're forced to commit. And the game really does make YOU do this. No cut-scenes with the characters doing it for you.

Best of all, it ain't just edgy to be edgy, these horrors wear the three buddy-buddy protagonists down, causing them to react to this psychosis in very different ways that all feel believable, and gradually cause a rift between them that ultimately leads to one of the best endings in vidya-games.

I just do not have faith that a CoD title can pull off anything even remotely close to that. But hey, sure would be nice to be wrong. There was another game similar to Spec Ops by the name of "6 Days in Fallujah" in development a few years before SOs release, it ended up cancelled for being too controversial despite looking really promising.. Funny thing about that being, many veterans lauded what they saw as it seemed very true to their horrific experiences there, where-as the public felt it was offensive to the military. The company producing it at the tip dropped it and gave a single line to the press, and never even bothered to meet or speak to the developers after dropping all support. Said company? Konami. Who else, right?

Spec Ops: The Line only seemed to survive because it plays the first few hours straight before turning into the hell-scape that it is, including a couple of over the top action scenes straight out of any modern shooter that they later revisit and re-contextualize in a truly chilling way.

@xxmercyxx: He didn't even respond to my comments, he just continued with his inane, hurtful crap.

I thought the GB community was better than this. I guess not. Get some perspective guys; this is a video game website that is barely about video games. It's about, you know, having fun. Enjoying the industry. Getting different perspectives. Yes, some of those perspectives are objectively wrong (i.e. a lot of Dan's ramblings, but that's all in good fun, right?)

Every time you respond to these people they come back with 'oh, well, you couldn't best me in an intellectual debate! Where are your references, good sir?' It's not about winning a debate. It's not about trying to challenge each others ideas. We are not debating science, we are debating you being a dick to someone on the internet - again, she's NOT A PROFESSIONAL GAMES CRITIC. SHE IS A PRODUCER AND ON AIR PERSONALITY. I also never said it was about gender. I never said it was about politics. I never said you were conservative. You are projecting, dude. You are expecting a particular argument where it doesn't exist, and you are using this small segment on a games site to spout your personal beliefs.

She will read these comments, just like the other GB employees read them, and if she's anything like me - she will feel shitty. Think about that before you post. Next time, when you think "I really need to lay down some constructive criticism, I am sure this person will really appreciate it" - just don't. Try it out. Next time you don't like a movie; don't tear down people who do. Next time you don't like a person, don't give them 'constructive criticism'. It's not constructive. It's mean-spirited. You're attacking someone in their early 20s ffs. Trust me, it will improve your life.

It's no surprise the ramblings have now devolved into bullshit about politics and left leaning and 'hits to GB's revenue' like GiantBomb is here to placate his personal views...

Give it two more posts until he's calling us sheeple. Also, him and DazzaP type in a very similar way; must be something in the water..

@xxmercyxx: Oh no what will they do without xxmercyxx

@do_the_manta_ray: Six Days in Fallujah was an incredible idea, because it sought to show war through the lens of an art form that the people fighting that war had grown up with. Crucially, it had not just input from military advisors (even CoD--and, allegedly, CBS' own The Code--has advisors and consultants), but it had the input and blessing of veterans who were in that awful city.

You're right--expecting CoD to even attempt that type of impact seems like a quick road to disappointment.

I believe that Spec Ops: The Line was a reasonably fucked up depiction of the worst types of PTSD. That is to say, it tried to do something different and while I believe it ultimately failed in execution for a couple of reasons, I've at least heard people express emotion about that game that is more complex that, "We shoot the bad guys."

Please let this be the last time Giant Bomb fans condescend YouTube viewers, you’re all just as bad because it’s not 1 crowd it’s the internet and this community just proved they have just as much of a audience ready to fight for their opinion like anywhere else.

The video speaks for itself there’s really no need to defend or defeat for anyone. Also keep in mind we’re talking about adults here who most likely by this point can handle themselves and speak for themselves do you really think you’re protecting these people? They aren’t children and aren’t in danger.

Wow this got a little wild. Abby is an asset to the site in all content that shes on, minus the GOTY discussions and table discussions like this which i truly believe she has ruined. She will NOT give up her fight and NOT offer any meaningful argument beyond her original piece. She's production, I dont expect her to have Brads command of the English language, but her constant use of key terms like *ham fisted* or "so so good, so fun* make it impossible for anyone to present a counter argument. If you think that has anything to do with her gender though you can go fuck yourself.