@turambar: However, just because his comment isn't helpful is no excuse to get mad at him; politely having meaningless debates that result in nothing is arguably the best possible outcome from social media interactions. And if Price wasn't interested in having that, she probably shouldn't have posted anything at all;
You're right on the above. I pretty much stated this earlier when I said Price isn't an innocent victim in this because she screwed up as well. Some back and forth with other here have made me a bit more sympathetic to why she would react so negatively, but I still ultimately feel that her behavior is wrong. (Not wrong enough to deserve the consequence Arenanet gave her. That was a load of bull.)
But I would not fault her one iota for feeling, not publicly expressing, that Deroir was contributing nothing of value. That's not elitist. It's the difference between someone that has experience and someone that doesn't.
@fezrock: The "how" is the important part though. If you have no suggestion on how to achieve something, just saying "we should achieve this" is very much useless. It's an idea placed atop a mountain of already existing and often identical ideas. The fact that someone who is not a writer might suggest that and think it's a novel and helpful idea actually proves the notion that someone's lack of experience in the field makes their suggestion rather lacking in value.
If I sound harsh, it's because I deal with this all the time in my own field.
I suspect this thread will be locked by the time I finish listening to the podcast.
All I have to say for now is that it's possible for more than one person to be in the wrong on something here, and assuming that a person doesn't have valuable feedback regarding non-technical aspects of art (like the story) because they're not a writer is elitist as fuck.
I'm going to switch gears for a moment and point out that the notion that non-technical jobs do not have skills and experience that act as prerequisites to competency is absurd..
If you have not practiced painting for a long time, you will not be a good painter. If you have not practiced playing an instrument for a long time, you will not be a good musician. If you have not practiced writing for a long time, you will not be a good writer.
Doesn't mean you can't recognize good (or bad) painting, music, or writing though. That's the entire idea behind professional critics. None of the GB crew know how to make a video game, but that doesn't mean they don't know what a good video game is.
That's not the same thing. Critics generally do not purport to know how to do the job, focusing their time expressing what causes them to react to a piece of work positively or negatively. The GB staff has said on multiple occasions "We don't fucking know how to make games." Deroir was in fact offering suggestions on how to write.
Yo guys I think you should focus on Kamiya next, he keeps being rude to customers and he hasn't been fired yet. Worst, it seems like people love to celebrate his dunking on people? I don't know. SURELY the customer should be also right in that case.
(Silly me. I know why he doesn't get hit with a mob. He's a man playing tough).
It's because Mikami's behavior and attitude on twitter is generally seen as a front, and not at all sincere. His twitter persona is essentially a circus act that gains a lot of attention at least in part due to how absurd it appears when placed alongside how the vast majority of other Japanese game developers behave outwardly.
I don't think you actually want people to react to Price as if she was just putting on a show.
A better comparison would be Phil Fish, someone who's twitter behavior was actually taken seriously by a lot of people. (There are probably better examples than that.)
I suspect this thread will be locked by the time I finish listening to the podcast.
All I have to say for now is that it's possible for more than one person to be in the wrong on something here, and assuming that a person doesn't have valuable feedback regarding non-technical aspects of art (like the story) because they're not a writer is elitist as fuck.
I'm going to switch gears for a moment and point out that the notion that non-technical jobs do not have skills and experience that act as prerequisites to competency is absurd..
If you have not practiced painting for a long time, you will not be a good painter. If you have not practiced playing an instrument for a long time, you will not be a good musician. If you have not practiced writing for a long time, you will not be a good writer.
@rvancetal: Hey, that does give a clearer context for where you're coming from. Thanks.
Though I will still disagree on a few points that John Teasdale states, it does help me feel a bit more sympathy for Price.
For example, I don't agree with Teasdale's interpretation of Deroir's comments and setting each line up as purposefully malicious, but if that's how Price saw it, her response is more understandable.
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