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#3  Edited By Phished0ne

@north6 said:
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@north6 said:

@chaser324: Everything meaningful and lasting has come from peaceful protests. Violence cannot be the answer, not for this issue. Not if you want it to last.

I've been keeping an eye on this thread off and on and this is the craziest thing i've seen in it. It took what, 6 days of rioting after MLK was assassinated to get the Civil Rights Act passed? Keeping in mind that previously the Fair Housing Act was THE MOST filibustered act in US history. You cannot divorce these facts from each other. We simply DO not know IF or how long it would've taken the Civil Rights Act to pass without the riots, as far as we know rioting was integral to getting it passed.

Hell! according to most reports, the civil unrest of the 60s directly got black reporters hired at press outlets. There were stories(i believe it was even shown in like Mad Men or something) that reporters of color could directly tell you WHICH cities riots got them hired. Its completely ignorant of history to make a statement like "everything meaningful and lasting has come from peaceful protests", when Civil Unrest directly changed even how the papers reported on things going on in black neighborhoods.

Ok, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean "Fair housing act" when you say "Civil Rights Act" but sure, let's look at that. Examine your proposal more. Who was MLK? Why was his assassination likely the most tragic event of the 20th century? What was he known for, respected for? If MLK hadn't cultivated the respect and admiration of so many people across his life, would his assassination have been as meaningful? Would there have been riots?

The fair housing act was simply a section of the Civil Rights Act of 1968(which also included the original hate crimes law, the Indian Bill Of Rights, and the ANTI RIOT ACT). The H. Rap Brown law is direct evidence that the Civil Rights Act of 68 was passed BECAUSE of the riots. It was literally called the anti-riot act, and was founded on the idea, still prevalent today at the "bad seeds" that start civil unrest in these situations are outside agitators that come from across state lines to start trouble(the act made it illegal to move weapons across lines 'for the purpose of inciting a riot'). It was probably written to say "look this is how we actually stop the riots, we stop those outside agitators from coming in". I think this shows pretty much direct evidence that the Civil Rights Bill of 68 was in fact, a direct answer to the civil unrest of the time. In addition, I believe the Watts riot in 65 is what helped inspire MLK to join the Chicago Freedom movement if i recall correctly.

Im not trying to downplay MLK's peaceful career, i think in the end no one wants violence, and as you said, yes his career was spent peacefully protesting. But in the end, as evidenced by the history before it, and the content of the 68 Act itself, the riots were the catalyst that got it done. In the end, he was murdered for it, potentially by his own government, the government that sent him a letter in jail, urging him to commit suicide, the government that sent a mysterious package to his wife that contained a tape recording purported to be evidence of MLK's infidelity. By Hoover, a man who regularly lied about MLK, a man who told Robert and Jackie that MLK said disparaging things about the man who eulogized JFK at his funeral. So tarnished his reputation with the family that Jackie said she couldnt even LOOK at a picture of MLK after her husbands assassination. Just like you take into consideration MLK's peaceful career, you have to take into consideration how the system treated him, and the potential lessons that can teach to those who come after.

But, we all know the quote now. Its been repeated ad nauseam, but its important to not just see "a riot is the voice of the unheard" and instead READ the full quote.

“Certain conditions continue to exist in our society, which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention”

- Dr. Martin Luther King

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#4  Edited By Phished0ne

@north6 said:

@chaser324: Everything meaningful and lasting has come from peaceful protests. Violence cannot be the answer, not for this issue. Not if you want it to last.

I've been keeping an eye on this thread off and on and this is the craziest thing i've seen in it. It took what, 6 days of rioting after MLK was assassinated to get the Civil Rights Act passed? Keeping in mind that previously the Fair Housing Act was THE MOST filibustered act in US history. You cannot divorce these facts from each other. We simply DO not know IF or how long it would've taken the Civil Rights Act to pass without the riots, as far as we know rioting was integral to getting it passed.

Hell! according to most reports, the civil unrest of the 60s directly got black reporters hired at press outlets. There were stories(i believe it was even shown in like Mad Men or something) that reporters of color could directly tell you WHICH cities riots got them hired. Its completely ignorant of history to make a statement like "everything meaningful and lasting has come from peaceful protests", when Civil Unrest directly changed even how the papers reported on things going on in black neighborhoods.

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@phished0ne: APUAB?

All Police Unions Are Bastaards? I think everyone can get behind that one. Way too difficult to get rid of actual garbage cops. Look at this, a fucking discussion and I haven't read the word bootlicker in... *counts* 1 page.

This is good, I always tend to explain ACAB as more anti thin blue line or "blue lives matter" attitudes vs purely anti-cop. Its a better way to explain.,

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Ultimately ACAB offers no solutions. A functioning state needs to be capable of monopolising the use of violence within its borders. A police force is essential to achieving that.

Some actual practical solutions might be all police forces in America adopting de-escalation tactics and policies which require cops to use alternatives to force where available. Better psychological evaluation of recruits. Pay cops better.

Gun control. The state should be monopolising the means of violence. The proliferation of firearms ratchets up the levels of violence on all sides.

End the war on drugs. So many police interactions don't need to happen in the first place. Drug possession should be decriminalised and drug misuse should be treated as a health care issue.

Imagining a world where the police don't exist is not realistic. It's also not a popular idea with the general public. It is a minority position which appears to be widespread on Giant Bomb and Twitter.

Then again, this seems to be another issue on which America is massively polarised, nuanced takes are shouted down, and the sane voices in the centre are drowned out. I dread the political landscape of the US coming here.

The vast majority of people who say "ACAB" arent literally ancoms or anarchists either. Most people realize you cant completely abolish police, this is why (even some borderline ancoms) say the answer isnt completely abolishing a police force but instead making sure the police forces that are used are more akin to local community watches with smaller forces. You are less likely to pull out your gun and shoot someone if your direct neighbors are holding you accountable. Its why a lot of these situations get so bad, there are tons of cops that get fired from one city then move to another, or live way outside the communities they police. Your suggestions are all good, but as long as police arent held accountable by their structure its useless.

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I came for the miusunderstanding of Marx and stayed for the ACAB discussion.

ACAB is never in good faith meant literally, it doesnt mean "every cop is a bad person" it simply means the position and systemic structure of the police gives leniency to those who abuse power and will weed out those to attempt to be "good cops" and expose the negative aspects of the force.

Its just too wordy to say

Any cop who misuses their power is a bastard as an individual; any cop who turns a blind eye or lies to defend them is also a bastard; any cop who does not turn a blind eye or lie will be forced out of their job and not remain a cop for long. So individually, over time, all police as individuals inevitably show themselves to be bastards, or stop being a cop.

ACWMTPIABANIACWTABEOLTDTISABACWDNTABEOLWBFOOTJ doesnt really roll off the tongue eh?

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Galllaghers is up there for me really, its mostly because the art just STOPS at his nipples and to me makes it look like a weird press-on tattoo. In fact when i first saw it i said "oh thats weird, they gave Jack Gallagher a gimmick tattoo??" because it seemed so odd. Usually if you are going to get a chest piece and dont want your nipples tattooed you give them a little more space OR have art that stops above your nipples for your first part. It will look better if get gets more work done but it just looks so odd to me right now the way the art goes around his nipples.

Cody's isnt bad in theory but is bad in practice, its too big, its placement is odd. The logo should be a little smaller and tilted backwards so that instead of it going towards his jawline can run with the verticality of his neck. Otherwise not bad.

Icarus's back piece HAS to win for worst wrestler tattoo though, it has everything. Just stinks of a guy who came up with this really cool awesome idea for a piece, but couldnt find/pay for an artist good enough to bring it to life. Pretty sure Icarus wrestles in a top to this day because of that tat.

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I'll take a stab at this, It will be bad, but thats the idea!

Boot up the Xbox

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