Well thats the thing with an election. It makes us chose one over the other. If this was just a contest of rate John McCain as a human being with no further ramifications; id say he was a top notch guy for all the reasons you said and then some. But to be the president, you have to be more than just a top notch guy; you have to be able to put your faith in the president that their decision is the one you would want to make. That is where McCain fails.

Think of it as a pure olympic race; just because one person won the race, doesn't mean all the other competitors are slow; they are just slower than 1st place. John McCain lost overall, but he still beat out all the other republicans.

Hell I voted for Obama and he has already done some shit I didn't want happening; but as the president Obama has to be the fine line that makes decisions in general the masses will like; hence politics. That is why I don't get all the Ralph nader people: they don't want to listen to other people, they just believe their way is the best way and want to shake things up. While all of Ralphs ideas may be super radical and may shake things up, so would having a dictatorship. Politics by democracy is based on catering to the masses, and if the masses doesn't want to deal with the "real" issues, then the president will win by dealing with the issues that the masses care about.

(sorry for stupid rant about nader at the end; those poeple just don't get it.)

"yeah, I agree with you a lot about Ralph Nader stuff. He should just stop running. He hasn't garnered near enough votes as Ross Perot did in 1996 (8 million plus votes) or 1992 (19 million plus votes), but I guess Nader is an option for people who hate both candidates. But some of the third parties have some radical ideas that are completely crazy"

not to spark a debate here...but dude, Optimus prime!? Seriously? How dare you sir mock our political process by suggesting Optimus Prime be a write in. I say that if you don't like who's up there, do us all a favor and don't vote. 

After he saved Nakatomi Plaza, Chicago O'Hare Airport, New York City and America in general from an online menace, he definitely deserved a fairer shake at being President.

All I can say is that I voted for him but McCain chose the worst vice president possible and he paid for it

Also many believed (becasue of Obama 's clever ads ) that he was like Bush while in fact he was not

"Palin was a really poor pick...so was Joe Biden"

"I agree Daniel...Obama's campaign...I am NOT Bush...McCain is because he's in the same party...Bush is evil..therefore McCain is evil...and it worked splendidly, and honestly if I were a total hardcore democrat, I would advise Barack Obama the same strategy, and it would work every time, especially after a president with some of the worst approval ratings in history"

"Palin was a really poor pick...so was Joe Biden"

"what do people think of this guy? Both my parents voted for him, but I voted for Obama, but honestly, there are things I really dislike about both of them, just like in a lot of elections...I admire and respect McCain for being a patriot and not giving into torture for years as a POW..that takes guts and courage"

"GamespotNoMore said:

"what do people think of this guy? Both my parents voted for him, but I voted for Obama, but honestly, there are things I really dislike about both of them, just like in a lot of elections...I admire and respect McCain for being a patriot and not giving into torture for years as a POW..that takes guts and courage"

Who was he tortured by?
the Japs?
Or the Germans?"

"well, to me, just my opinion, Biden comes off as very rude, like a know-it-all, arrogant and smug..he's probably a pretty good senator, but he has an arrogant, prickly demeanor...if Obama wanted to create a new Washington, DC with people tired of Washington politics, he shouldn't have selected a senator who first got elected as Delaware senator in 1973. What about the Dream Team of Obama-Clinton? I thought Edwards would have been a better vice president, yes, even after we found out he cheated on his wife while she had cancer"

McCain eats babies, pass it on.

"tortured by the Viet Cong I believe for years, and they offered to release him, but he wouldn't go unless the rest of his group (squadron or whatever it's called) (the group of POWs that he was captured with)  were released too, so he was tortured some more for this country"

"All I can say is that I voted for him but McCain chose the worst vice president possible and he paid for it

Also many believed (becasue of Obama 's clever ads ) that he was like Bush while in fact he was not"

My friends, the fundamentals of the economy are STRONG, how many houses do I own?  How the hell should I know, I'm a rich old white man bitch!

"My friends, the fundamentals of the economy are STRONG, how many houses do I own?  How the hell should I know, I'm a rich old white man bitch!"

"Hexpane said:

"My friends, the fundamentals of the economy are STRONG, how many houses do I own?  How the hell should I know, I'm a rich old white man bitch!"

yeah he kind of put me off with that statement. Seriously if you dont even know how many houses you own then how are you going to handle other peoples problems?"

Yeah thats a good way to get votes, call the nation names and your shoo-in to win

"he seems to be a good senator...I don't know how he would do for president, but it doesn't matter now because Barack has been chosen"

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"All I can say is that I voted for him but McCain chose the worst vice president possible and he paid for it

Also many believed (becasue of Obama 's clever ads ) that he was like Bush while in fact he was not"

I guess he's not the exact same person, you're right.


He just put out the same view on the issues (near the election)."

I also voted for John McCain

But Im fine with Obama I guess...I will accept him when he delievers on all his promises

"I also voted for John McCain

But Im fine with Obama I guess...I will accept him when he delievers on all his promises"

"I also voted for John McCain

But Im fine with Obama I guess...I will accept him when he delievers on all his promises"

Obama's plans were what exactly? He is from the Clinton school, he is generic middle of the road "democrat" who is really a "mainstream" which in this country = conservative.

McAin and Obama BOTH voted PRO BAILOUT. They are both typical corporate cock suckers who can't wait to spend BILLIONS on the rich CEOs and consultants.  This false idea the republicans put out of "Obama being the most liberal..." is so false.  He is "liberal" compared to McAIn, but he is in no way a true liberal.  McAin wants to pretend the economy is fine and spend 100 years in Iraq, that is not conservative,that is reactionary.  Obama wants to slowly think about Iraq and bail out giant monopolies that have stolen billions. that is a conservative.

We have not had a true liberal in any seat of power in decades.   We have a government completely dominated by only 2 parties, and those 2 parties are completely controlled by powerful, rich lobby groups.  If you compare their records, McAin is only a "Maverick" on the most minor of issues, he is lockstep w/Bush on95% of everything that is important.

Sadly Obama is also lockstep w/ the mainstream conservatives.  He is pro Bailout, anti- gay rights, and anti constitution.  just like Bush, Reagan, McAin etc... Obama got the liberal vote,but he isn't even close to a liberal.

A true liberal agenda would be to change all international policies to be human rights based, not economically based.  For instance


CHINA

What is Obama's policy w/ China? Open Engagement. Guess what Bush's policy was? Open Engagement, Clinton, Reagan.... all the way backto Nixon.  When you have the same policy w/ China that Nixon did, there are no concerns w/ being "liberal"  that is a conservative, $$ driven policy.

The sad fact is so many republicans are worked up into a shoot about Obama being some wild liberal, when he is just another mainstream politician caught in the web of lobbyists.

"Obama's plans were what exactly? He is from the Clinton school, he is generic middle of the road "democrat" who is really a "mainstream" which in this country = conservative.

McAin and Obama BOTH voted PRO BAILOUT. They are both typical corporate cock suckers who can't wait to spend BILLIONS on the rich CEOs and consultants. 

".  This false idea the republicans put out of "Obama being the most liberal..." is so false.  He is "liberal" compared to McAIn, but he is in no way a true liberal. 

.  McAin wants to pretend the economy is fine and spend 100 years in Iraq, that is not conservative,that is reactionary.  Obama wants to slowly think about Iraq and bail out giant monopolies that have stolen billions. that is a conservative.

Sadly Obama is also lockstep w/ the mainstream conservatives.  He is pro Bailout, anti- gay rights, and anti constitution.  just like Bush, Reagan, McAin etc... Obama got the liberal vote,but he isn't even close to a liberal.

What is Obama's policy w/ China?

"I guarantee you OBama has more homes than he can keep track of....Obama just a much more intelligent speaker"

"at first I should mention that I endorse republican party
 

Hexpane said:

McAin and Obama BOTH voted PRO BAILOUT. They are both typical corporate cock suckers who can't wait to spend BILLIONS on the rich CEOs and consultants. 

  Bailout was necessary , the economy would collapsed otherwise
 

Hexpane said:

.  McAin wants to pretend the economy is fine and spend 100 years in Iraq, that is not conservative,that is reactionary.  Obama wants to slowly think about Iraq and bail out giant monopolies that have stolen billions. that is a conservative.

I do not think so , McCain was extremely concerned about the economy and mentined in various correspondence that we should do something  to  avoid financial depression . (he  was also the first to come up with offshore drilling idea) .

as far as I know Obama wants to end war in IRAQ and let the US Army focuses on Afghanistan .


 



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Obama just a much more intelligent speaker"

"My friends, the fundamentals of the economy are STRONG, how many houses do I own?  How the hell should I know, I'm a rich old white man bitch!"

"I guarantee you OBama has more homes than he can keep track of....Obama just a much more intelligent speaker"

"any way, US senators each make $169,300 annual salary at least, and any one of them can afford more than one house if they want to. I'm sorry if I haven't been eloquent. I don't have a speechwrite unlike all US presidents and presidential candidates."

McCain seemed good-natured, but he also seemed detatched from the people. While, on the other hand, Obama seemed good natured but was detatched from reality.

"Hexpane said:

"My friends, the fundamentals of the economy are STRONG, how many houses do I own?  How the hell should I know, I'm a rich old white man bitch!"

Way to talk about the things that really impact the country.  The houses thing was always stupid, and I feel sorry for people who continued making that comment when it became known that the reason he didn't know was because they own a bunch of houses that they rent and lease out, and John has nothing to do with it, his wife takes care of all of it, and they were in the process of buying and selling some properties at the time.  You know though, keep talking about that stuff. 

What's worse, that John wasn't sure if they owned 6-7 houses at that moment, or that Barack didn't know his pastor of 20 years was a nutty conspiracy theorist who thought the government invented AIDS to kill black people, o 

This thread made my day, people spewing the same old partisan talking points over and over, as if, they mean anything. I have yet to see anything of substance discussed about the candidates. Seriously, you guys all watch far too much MSNBC and Fox News. Both of those networks are so skewed in their reporting that it is impossible to actually take what they say for fact. The fact that both of them mascarade as news networks is laughable. All of both network's prime time programming is made up of partisan blow hards spewing party talking points, and twisting facts to repesent their party of choice in a positive light. 

I always liked him, but he changed a lot during his campaign.  If he acted as he always did before I think he could have given Obama a better run for his money. 

You should have voted for Barr.

Ya, it is a sign of media bias, and a sign that the republicans and democrats measures to keep independant and third party candidates out of office are working.

I wanted Rudy Juliani to win

He truly believes this who republican and democrats thing is asinine

we all american

"I wanted Rudy Juliani to win

He truly believes this who republican and democrats thing is asinine

we all american"

"it's a sign of which parties have been around for decades and which parties have 1000 times more money--Republicans and Democrats, not Green Party, LIbertarian Party, Socialist Workers party...the only way we'll have a major THIRD party with enough MONEY is when/if the DEMOCRATIC or REPUBLICAN PARTY splits into TWO"

"I wanted Rudy 9/11 Juliani to win

He truly 9/11 believes this who 9/11 republican and 9/11 democrats thing 9/11 is asinine

we all 9/11 american" 9/11

"no, Arkthemaniac...because that's the way the world works...I don't put my trust in the world or its powers..I put my trust in the power ABOVE, and I know this earth and world is only temporary, and my  life is only temporary...but enough PHILOSOPHY...it is SICK and DISGUSTING how the world works and how power works that he/she who has the most money wins, BUT  as far as POLITICAL parties are concerned, to me, in my opinion, BOTH DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS have more SANE ideas, and more REASONABLE ideas than GREEN PARTY, LIBERTARIAN PARTY, and all of the hundreds of other THIRD parties COMBINED"

Sorry to break it to you, but yes, you have been indoctrinated into the two party prison that is the United States Political System. But, I have a small question for you, what do you think the Democratic Party's stance on health care is, and furthermore, what is your stance on health care?

Universal healthcare for all aye? Sounds like you and Ralph Nader share a political ideal, shocking right? Though, you are wrong when you say that Barack Obama supports Single Payer universal health care for all. He says he supports lowering the cost of health care for everyone, therefore making it availible to everyone, while still relying on private insurance companies. These are two vastly different things. Nader's plan for Single Payer universal health care strengthens the economy lifting the burden of health care from employers,and american families. Obama's plan enriches the insurance companies, who, you guessed it, gave him campaign contributions.