Having seen the trailer a good amount of times now and reading a very clever and detailed analysis (forgot who it was by- he also does analyses of the campaign of halo 3) im convinced that the new Halo game is not an expansion and definately is not DLC.

It is a new game set at least during Halo 2.  We can't really assume it extends so much further beyond that, but the trailer most definately occurs just after the level New Mombasa in Halo 2 (this is the explosion you just see with the cornor of your eye).  I would guess that it will go into Halo 3 and be essentially Halo 2.5, but that is obviously an assumption.  They could even have a level from halo 1 as I doubt that theyll have the new mombasa bombing as the intro.  It obviously won't be the climax though.  The covies are coming in- somewhere in that will be the climax, but either way, it's not like Halo has definate peaks anyway.

You will most definately be playing from an alternative view.  MC lis leaving  new mombasa during this scene to Delta Halo? 

So unless they do a time loop thing from MC landing on that weird planet (which I guess is technically possible), this is not just a extension- you're not a spartan here.

Yes, I realize, the trailer says Halo 3 in it, but so what?  Halo 3: Keep It Clean/ whatever itll be called.  It is an alternative view from prior to halo 3's timeline and definately at least during Halo 2.

And besides, if you boot up Halo 3 you'll read "Check out the new game we're making.  Go to bungie.net or the marketplace. "

Its just going to be a 4-player surviaval mode.

i still vote that its DLC.

Thats microsofts agenda.

"Its just going to be a 4-player surviaval mode."

the flood are essentially mega-zombies.  and thats actually true
but they aren't retards, they have intelligence (as demonstrated in the level covenant or with the gravemind)

"i still vote that its DLC.

Thats microsofts agenda."

everyone figures its an ODST or whatever squad based gears/graw style more bloody game that was rumored a while back...and its looking like it is more and more. There was a date I believe somewhere in the trailer..said 1/09 and something...so January 09 I'm guessing you'll know more, no sense in people keep speculating, chances are everyone is wrong, or right on the mark already...only one of those two.

"everyone figures its an ODST or whatever squad based gears/graw style more bloody game that was rumored a while back...and its looking like it is more and more. There was a date I believe somewhere in the trailer..said 1/09 and something...so January 09 I'm guessing you'll know more, no sense in people keep speculating, chances are everyone is wrong, or right on the mark already...only one of those two."

Wait a minute, this is actually possible, but I would say it's 50/50 chance. The fact that the Halo 3 icon shows up kinda suggests that it is DLC.

"everyone figures its an ODST or whatever squad based gears/graw style more bloody game that was rumored a while back...and its looking like it is more and more. There was a date I believe somewhere in the trailer..said 1/09 and something...so January 09 I'm guessing you'll know more, no sense in people keep speculating, chances are everyone is wrong, or right on the mark already...only one of those two."

A lot of people would think that, but I believe Bungie said this was a teaser to 'one' of their new projects, and everyone can at least assume this much, that one of their new projects isn't just some Halo 3 DLC, but a new game entirely...it wouldn't make any sense to just be DLC, especially with how the trailer looks.

"A lot of people would think that, but I believe Bungie said this was a teaser to 'one' of their new projects, and everyone can at least assume this much, that one of their new projects isn't just some Halo 3 DLC, but a new game entirely...it wouldn't make any sense to just be DLC, especially with how the trailer looks."

That was exactly what was said about it...as I said it was a 'rumor', but it was the one that was going around for a long time, and even more so when Bungie's announcement at E3 got canceled. As I said, and obviously..no one knows anything about this for sure until another trailer or some actual information is released...but obviously until then no one can be sure what type of game it will be.

"pause422 said:

"A lot of people would think that, but I believe Bungie said this was a teaser to 'one' of their new projects, and everyone can at least assume this much, that one of their new projects isn't just some Halo 3 DLC, but a new game entirely...it wouldn't make any sense to just be DLC, especially with how the trailer looks."

and you know, if you play halo 3 itll give you the message (only once though) to go to their site or the marketplace to see the trailer for their new game, and they phrase it like that- their new game"

It's not going to be a new game entirely, it said Halo 3. It is also not going to be just some map pack DLC, the trailer was way too elaborate for that. My guess is that it is going to be a Halo 3 "expansion," maybe stand alone, maybe not. It would probably be something along the lines of Crysis: Warhead. It is still Crysis, it isn't exactly a full new game, it is bigger than an expansion pack, and it is from a new perspective. It would be a new character's perspective of the events, running parallel to Master Chief's story.

That's my guess, at least.

"SmugDarkLoser said:

"pause422 said:

"A lot of people would think that, but I believe Bungie said this was a teaser to 'one' of their new projects, and everyone can at least assume this much, that one of their new projects isn't just some Halo 3 DLC, but a new game entirely...it wouldn't make any sense to just be DLC, especially with how the trailer looks."

and you know, if you play halo 3 itll give you the message (only once though) to go to their site or the marketplace to see the trailer for their new game, and they phrase it like that- their new game"

Dude, it is clearly labeled HALO 3. That makes it an expansion. It is expanding on the current game of HALO 3. maybe it will be retail or maybe it will be DLC, but it pretty clearly looks like an expansion"

"It's not going to be a new game entirely, it said Halo 3. It is also not going to be just some map pack DLC, the trailer was way too elaborate for that. My guess is that it is going to be a Halo 3 "expansion," maybe stand alone, maybe not. It would probably be something along the lines of Crysis: Warhead. It is still Crysis, it isn't exactly a full new game, it is bigger than an expansion pack, and it is from a new perspective. It would be a new character's perspective of the events, running parallel to Master Chief's story.

That's my guess, at least."

"BiggerBomb said:

"It's not going to be a new game entirely, it said Halo 3. It is also not going to be just some map pack DLC, the trailer was way too elaborate for that. My guess is that it is going to be a Halo 3 "expansion," maybe stand alone, maybe not. It would probably be something along the lines of Crysis: Warhead. It is still Crysis, it isn't exactly a full new game, it is bigger than an expansion pack, and it is from a new perspective. It would be a new character's perspective of the events, running parallel to Master Chief's story.

That's my guess, at least."

But with Warhead it was still the same game- it was just like more levels for the most part
You're going to play as a ODST marine, obviously Halo's going to be different"

"SmugDarkLoser said:

"BiggerBomb said:

"It's not going to be a new game entirely, it said Halo 3. It is also not going to be just some map pack DLC, the trailer was way too elaborate for that. My guess is that it is going to be a Halo 3 "expansion," maybe stand alone, maybe not. It would probably be something along the lines of Crysis: Warhead. It is still Crysis, it isn't exactly a full new game, it is bigger than an expansion pack, and it is from a new perspective. It would be a new character's perspective of the events, running parallel to Master Chief's story.

That's my guess, at least."

But with Warhead it was still the same game- it was just like more levels for the most part
You're going to play as a ODST marine, obviously Halo's going to be different"

Warhead is an updated version of Crysis improving on the original's strengths and shying away from its weaknesses. It was a different story with a different character. I think this new project is similar. It is from the perspective of a new character, in new locations, a different story, but with very similar gameplay. Halo, with a new character. Also, you don't exactly know that you are playing an ODST marine simply because you are in one of their drop pods.

You could be a marine, or you could be a Spartan that was kept under the radar, or for all you know you might not even be alligned with these marines. You could be the Arbiter before he became the Arbiter in Halo 2. You might be on the planet when the pods drop and fight them.

You can't say that everyone else's speculations are invalid because you are speculating something different."

And again, this has been in development for about 4 years now.  Crysis Warhead was done in 1."

"BiggerBomb said:

"SmugDarkLoser said:

"BiggerBomb said:

"It's not going to be a new game entirely, it said Halo 3. It is also not going to be just some map pack DLC, the trailer was way too elaborate for that. My guess is that it is going to be a Halo 3 "expansion," maybe stand alone, maybe not. It would probably be something along the lines of Crysis: Warhead. It is still Crysis, it isn't exactly a full new game, it is bigger than an expansion pack, and it is from a new perspective. It would be a new character's perspective of the events, running parallel to Master Chief's story.

That's my guess, at least."

But with Warhead it was still the same game- it was just like more levels for the most part
You're going to play as a ODST marine, obviously Halo's going to be different"

Warhead is an updated version of Crysis improving on the original's strengths and shying away from its weaknesses. It was a different story with a different character. I think this new project is similar. It is from the perspective of a new character, in new locations, a different story, but with very similar gameplay. Halo, with a new character. Also, you don't exactly know that you are playing an ODST marine simply because you are in one of their drop pods.

You could be a marine, or you could be a Spartan that was kept under the radar, or for all you know you might not even be alligned with these marines. You could be the Arbiter before he became the Arbiter in Halo 2. You might be on the planet when the pods drop and fight them.

You can't say that everyone else's speculations are invalid because you are speculating something different."

But Warhead was, at its core, crysis touched up with new levels. 

In this new halo game you're playing as a whole different character.  And it's not the arbiter or a spartan- the abiter is doing his own missions at this time (come on now- have you played halo 2?) and there are no more spartans left. 

And again, this has been in development for about 4 years now.  Crysis Warhead was done in 1."

"SmugDarkLoser said:

And again, this has been in development for about 4 years now.  Crysis Warhead was done in 1."

Wait - what has been in development for four years?"

LOL i bet this is exactly what bungie wanted. huge speculation  make everyone talk about it get excited etc etc. cheap effective publicity

"MB said:

"SmugDarkLoser said:

And again, this has been in development for about 4 years now.  Crysis Warhead was done in 1."

Wait - what has been in development for four years?"

Bungie- they said it's been in development since alongside Halo 3.  In the weekly updates (a bit back)

And to the other guy- come on- "drop in""

Bungie- they said it's been in development since alongside Halo 3.  In the weekly updates (a bit back)

And to the other guy- come on- "drop in""

"SmugDarkLoser said:

Bungie- they said it's been in development since alongside Halo 3.  In the weekly updates (a bit back)

And to the other guy- come on- "drop in""

That could mean that they drew up the design doc for this "game" four years ago, and it sat on the shelf until Halo 3 was completed and they are going to use the Halo 3 engine for it.  I think you're inferring too much from too little information."

just search up the info. 
It was worded as something along the lines of "we had been working on another project alongside halo 2 also, but we eventually dropped it.  We're sticking with our other project with Halo 3". 

"SmugDarkLoser said:

just search up the info. 
It was worded as something along the lines of "we had been working on another project alongside halo 2 also, but we eventually dropped it.  We're sticking with our other project with Halo 3". 

Well...you just said that the Bungie website said the game has been in development for four years.  This new version is completely different...maybe you should find what was actually said and provide a link to reduce confusion?"

"MB said:

"SmugDarkLoser said:

Bungie- they said it's been in development since alongside Halo 3.  In the weekly updates (a bit back)

And to the other guy- come on- "drop in""

That could mean that they drew up the design doc for this "game" four years ago, and it sat on the shelf until Halo 3 was completed and they are going to use the Halo 3 engine for it.  I think you're inferring too much from too little information."

just search up the info. 
It was worded as something along the lines of "we had been working on another project alongside halo 2 also, but we eventually dropped it.  We're sticking with our other project with Halo 3". 
"

"SmugDarkLoser said:

"MB said:

"SmugDarkLoser said:

Bungie- they said it's been in development since alongside Halo 3.  In the weekly updates (a bit back)

And to the other guy- come on- "drop in""

That could mean that they drew up the design doc for this "game" four years ago, and it sat on the shelf until Halo 3 was completed and they are going to use the Halo 3 engine for it.  I think you're inferring too much from too little information."

just search up the info. 
It was worded as something along the lines of "we had been working on another project alongside halo 2 also, but we eventually dropped it.  We're sticking with our other project with Halo 3". 
"

How do you know that is even what they are talking about? You are saying with 100% certainty that you are right, everyone should stop speculating, because you are right. Mass Effect is a trilogy and Bioware went into the project knowing that. That doesn't mean they have been developing Mass Effect 2/3 along side the original.

Maybe they had a concept in mind, shelved it, and decided it was best left for another date. Maybe this is something entirely different from a previously planned project. You are speculating, so don't tell everybody else that their speculations are wrong simply because you feel strongly about your own. That is extremely arrogant and narrow minded."

Face it that trying to basically say "I'm right, everything I say is right, I don't even need evidence to back it up, you're all wrong but I'm not" is complete bullshit. Get this in your head - Everyone is only speculating here. I don't believe bungie ever contacted you specifically and gave you the information about this project, so accept that you are no more right than anyone else. Just wait for more information to actually hit, and stop acting all high and mighty like you know so much that no one else does.

"BiggerBomb said:

"SmugDarkLoser said:

"MB said:

"SmugDarkLoser said:

Bungie- they said it's been in development since alongside Halo 3.  In the weekly updates (a bit back)

And to the other guy- come on- "drop in""

That could mean that they drew up the design doc for this "game" four years ago, and it sat on the shelf until Halo 3 was completed and they are going to use the Halo 3 engine for it.  I think you're inferring too much from too little information."

just search up the info. 
It was worded as something along the lines of "we had been working on another project alongside halo 2 also, but we eventually dropped it.  We're sticking with our other project with Halo 3". 
"

How do you know that is even what they are talking about? You are saying with 100% certainty that you are right, everyone should stop speculating, because you are right. Mass Effect is a trilogy and Bioware went into the project knowing that. That doesn't mean they have been developing Mass Effect 2/3 along side the original.

Maybe they had a concept in mind, shelved it, and decided it was best left for another date. Maybe this is something entirely different from a previously planned project. You are speculating, so don't tell everybody else that their speculations are wrong simply because you feel strongly about your own. That is extremely arrogant and narrow minded."

and im sure bungie had this idea when they were making halo 2. 
just trust me, seriously.

But its just a small detail. 

"

"SmugDarkLoser said:
I'm sorry, why should I trust you? You are sure, 100% sure, that this is the very idea that they said they working on alongside Halo 2? Really? Please show me your proof. I would love to be proven wrong about you being completely full of shit.

Let's say this the idea they were working on during development of Halo 2. They scrapped it, you said it yourself. It hasn't surfaced until now. Which would mean they have NOT been working on it for four years. They started four years ago, scrapped it, and according to you started up again. So realistically, they probably spend no more than a year working on it.

Most trilogies are written before the first installment is made, but they are not developed simultaneously. Who are you to say that everyone else is wrong? Maybe it is another Spartan, maybe it is the missions of the Arbiter, maybe your the goddamn Gravemind. You simply don't know, so stop spouting the bullshit that everyone else should stop speculating because you are sure that your speculations are correct."

Who knew a mediocre clip could cause so much commotion.

Sorry to burst you're bubble TC, but I have just talked to my friend Jasper, he has a friend called Frank who works at Bungie, it is DLC. I know this sounds unlikely but honestly I dont care if you believe me, as I will be doing Alpha testing for it. 

"BiggerBomb said:

"SmugDarkLoser said:
I'm sorry, why should I trust you? You are sure, 100% sure, that this is the very idea that they said they working on alongside Halo 2? Really? Please show me your proof. I would love to be proven wrong about you being completely full of shit.

Let's say this the idea they were working on during development of Halo 2. They scrapped it, you said it yourself. It hasn't surfaced until now. Which would mean they have NOT been working on it for four years. They started four years ago, scrapped it, and according to you started up again. So realistically, they probably spend no more than a year working on it.

Most trilogies are written before the first installment is made, but they are not developed simultaneously. Who are you to say that everyone else is wrong? Maybe it is another Spartan, maybe it is the missions of the Arbiter, maybe your the goddamn Gravemind. You simply don't know, so stop spouting the bullshit that everyone else should stop speculating because you are sure that your speculations are correct."

well im just using combined info.

Let's just see the facts of the trailer:
- Your on New Mombasa
- The Arbiter and Chief are not are on there own missions here
- The phrase is drop in
- there were rumors of a marine type halo game before
- they have said they've been working on alongside halo 3 (you don't believe this, but it's true- the halo 2 scrapped idea is different according to them)

Seriously, it all points to not playing as the chief, meaning the gameplay would have to be completely different unless they have the ODSTs playing like spartans, which doesn't make any sense
It's called thinking for yourself.  Seriously."

a) on marketplace it specifically says Halo 3 expansion.
b) since you've seen the teaser, you'll know it has the Halo 3 logo at the end.

Yeah, it's an expansion. Anything else (DLC-only? price? what's it about?) are all a mystery, hence "teaser".
EDIT: it never mentions anything about what you play as. It could mean you never play as the chief. It could mean you play half chief and half marine. Hell, maybe only a marine, but the fact of the matter is: nobody knows, it's a mystery what the hell this is. As you probably know, Halo 3 ended with a cliffhanger. Not so much on regular difficulty, but on legendary: floating towards mystery (forerunner?) planet anyone?

I think that if this game is an expansion for halo 3 they need to put it out on both the market place and in disc form.  I mean not everyone has live right?  However i think that there is a much greater chance that this is a stand alone game.  Also, in the trailer there was a flash that refrenced something about Maddie, which according to a post on bungie.net references an earlier spartan model from the books.  Who knows?

Maybe,

MADDIE IS MASTER CHIEFS DAUGHTER!!

"Maybe,

MADDIE IS MASTER CHIEFS DAUGHTER!!

"

It's a Halo 3 expansion, and I won't take anything else for an answer.

It's DLC man...

I don't think the trailer is to be taken with all this seriousness.
remember the original halo 3 trailer? yeah... the game looked nothing like that.

I wouldn't mind a Halo 2.5 but I think it's just DLC & hopefully some campaign mode. I'm not sure how confident I am in Bungie or M$ to provide me anything that c00l but whatev...

I don't care enough to speculate further. It'll be apon us soon enough...

I guess I'll just have to keep myself preoccupied with ALL THE OTHER FUCKIN ROCKIN GAMES OUT!

-END

This topic title fails, it's already been confirmed that it IS DLC.

hm maybe it's DLC because they made more money on the legendary maps than on the actual halo 3? 0_o or is that a stupid idea. but think about it it's possible.

What a misleading topic name.  You act as though you know for 100% that is not.  Thank you Mr Bungie employee

"Rowr said:

"i still vote that its DLC.

Thats microsofts agenda."

but you have to realize:  Halo 3 sold 9 million copies.  Why would they limit a new game to be only through a game meaning limiting yourself to that crowd? "