Not buying it.
An expansion? Worked on for 1/3 of the dev time that went into Halo 3? Same multiplayer? An expansion? Full price?
Not buying it.
Halo 3: ODST
Game » consists of 10 releases. Released Sep 22, 2009
Taking place during the events of Halo 2, Halo 3: ODST puts players in the shoes of a silent Orbital Drop Shock Trooper (known as the Rookie) as he traverses through the Covenant-occupied metropolis of New Mombasa to find the whereabouts of his missing squadmates.
Full price?
" An expansion? Worked on for 1/3 of the dev time that went into Halo 3? Same multiplayer? An expansion? "Whut.
From what I understand, it's a fully featured side-story of a game that they mistakenly labeled as an expansion. It has a full campaign, that new Firefight mode and three new maps. Call me an asshole for saying this, but stop your bitching. In my opinion (though I don't own a 360) it appears to be a really solid product with enough content if you're a fan of the Halo games that you might see upon further examination. Please, come back to me and give me a reason why I'm wrong. You're simply letting the term expansion giving you a sense of the amount of content when I feel like you should look a little closer.
And I think it took a little more than a third of the dev time.
P.S. GiantBomb should totally make me a salesperson for their ad campaign...
Is it really full price in the US? Here in the UK it RRP's at £40, which is £10 less than the standard £50.
Sure, most retailers will probably sell it for the full £40, and they generally sell full price games for £40 anyway, so many customers will probably not see any price difference, but people who shop around should be able to get a good deal.
I'm sure Bungie are crying in their drinks because you won't be buying their game.
Think it's a very good deal, especially for those looking for a different sort of Halo orientated experience. Plus it's a good deal for those who don't have all the Halo 3 multiplayer maps.
"And I think it took a little more than a third of the dev time. "No, he was right about that part. Halo 3 had a full 3-year dev cycle that began shortly after the completion of Halo 2, while ODST was created in about a year and has been ready to ship for a few months now.
Heck I didn't wanna buy the other map packs anymore because Bungie limited the playlists to probably 3 or 4 for the people who didn't buy em. Now everyone has equal opportunity after years.
" @ververdan0226 said:Well, you're probably right then, though I guess we'll soon know if the value equals 60 dollars, which it definitely sounds like it is, who knows."And I think it took a little more than a third of the dev time. "No, he was right about that part. Halo 3 had a full 3-year dev cycle that began shortly after the completion of Halo 2, while ODST was created in about a year and has been ready to ship for a few months now. "
If you haven't bought the map packs for Halo 3 then it is definitely worth the full price. If you have already bought the maps (like me) you are getting screwed over slightly. I like the experience that Halo offers that I honestly don't care and think that the ODST campaign and Firefight are worth the full price anyways.
" @ververdan0226 said:Well they did have to create the entire Halo 3 engine and multiplayer system for Halo 3. In ODST they just had to create new maps & a few gameplay changes"And I think it took a little more than a third of the dev time. "No, he was right about that part. Halo 3 had a full 3-year dev cycle that began shortly after the completion of Halo 2, while ODST was created in about a year and has been ready to ship for a few months now. "
I have never payed 50 for a game." Is it really full price in the US? Here in the UK it RRP's at £40, which is £10 less than the standard £50. Sure, most retailers will probably sell it for the full £40, and they generally sell full price games for £40 anyway, so many customers will probably not see any price difference, but people who shop around should be able to get a good deal. "
It is 30 pound on ShopTo
http://www.shopto.net/XBOX%20360/GAMES/XB2HA15-Halo%203%3A%20ODST%20Including%20Halo%20Reach%20BETA%20Key%20%2B%20Free%20Sgt.%20Johnson%20Character%20Unlock%20Code.html
" @p4ddym1607 said:That is true. Amazon always says you are saving a pile of money buying from them but no one sells for RRP."I have never payed 50 for a game. "Neither have I. I can't even recall seeing a game priced at £50, but that is the standard RRP for games, retailers just generally sell them for less than the RRP. "
40 is the absolute most I would ever pay for a game anyway.
" @Fosssil said:Right. I was just pointing out to ververdan that the OP was correct in saying that the game had a dev time that was 1/3 that of Halo 3. I don't think that having a shorter dev time should be used as an argument against its value, though, as the game looks great to me." @ververdan0226 said:Well they did have to create the entire Halo 3 engine and multiplayer system for Halo 3. In ODST they just had to create new maps & a few gameplay changes ""And I think it took a little more than a third of the dev time. "No, he was right about that part. Halo 3 had a full 3-year dev cycle that began shortly after the completion of Halo 2, while ODST was created in about a year and has been ready to ship for a few months now. "
I thought Bungie were tired of making Halo games. Sounds like Microsoft still has them on a leash =)
" I thought Bungie were tired of making Halo games. Sounds like Microsoft still has them on a leash =) "They're making Halo games because the team that they worked with since Halo1 will be gone, working with 343 Productions or other Halo projects. They don't want to see their best buds begone. Don't underestimate the family that is of dev teams.
" @ververdan0226 said:But wasn't that because they didn't create a whole new graphics engine? I know they said something in some vidoc or other about knowing what works and what doesn't performance-wise so they were able to go a lot faster. Either way, people will be paying full price for modern warfare 2... and last time i looked it's not like they've changed much... or indeed anything at all."And I think it took a little more than a third of the dev time. "No, he was right about that part. Halo 3 had a full 3-year dev cycle that began shortly after the completion of Halo 2, while ODST was created in about a year and has been ready to ship for a few months now. "
I love how behind in news the OP is, he stil calls it Recon, back when it actually WAS just an expansion. It changed and became full-fledged game a while ago. The posters talking about Halo 3 taking longer to build the engine ae completely correct as well. This game used the Halo 3 engine, of course it's going to take way less time to develop
i would get it if it was cheaper and without the multiplayer disc
everybody who's going to get this already has halo 3 with its 2-year old multiplayer
and i dont see a point of having it on a separate disc, when i could use the same amount of time to switch to my halo 3
i would get it for $40 max with just the campaign, firefight, and only the 3 new maps. because its the same engine, enemies and weapons with little design involved (only parts of the environments were made)
" @Fosssil said:Right, that's what Diamond and I were discussing earlier in the thread. The only new tech that they added (that I've heard of) is the AI behavior/pathfinding stuff that controls the Covenant enemies in the main hub city. Still, I don't think that the shorter dev cycle will in any way detract from the quality of the game, as the OP seems to be implying. If anything, it just proves what an excellent developer Bungie is if they can take a small team and crank out a high-quality game like ODST in such a short time." @ververdan0226 said:But wasn't that because they didn't create a whole new graphics engine? I know they said something in some vidoc or other about knowing what works and what doesn't performance-wise so they were able to go a lot faster. Either way, people will be paying full price for modern warfare 2... and last time i looked it's not like they've changed much... or indeed anything at all. ""And I think it took a little more than a third of the dev time. "No, he was right about that part. Halo 3 had a full 3-year dev cycle that began shortly after the completion of Halo 2, while ODST was created in about a year and has been ready to ship for a few months now. "
"It changed and became full-fledged game a while ago. "Really? Is that why it's called Halo 3: ODST? Is that why the multiplayer is recycled (except for the new mode, which I won't be paying full price for)? Is that why it's the same enemies? No interesting characters? Sounds like an expansion to me.
" I'm sure Bungie are crying in their drinks because you won't be buying their game. Think it's a very good deal, especially for those looking for a different sort of Halo orientated experience. Plus it's a good deal for those who don't have all the Halo 3 multiplayer maps. "Says you.
HALO ODST, minus all the little whiners who say they won't buy the game=Bungie laughing, all the way to the bank!
" ODST has more new content than a lot of sequels do. It's not that ODST isn't worth $60, it's just that you're comparing it to Halo 3 which was worth much more than $60. "If Gears 2 had a 6 hour campaign, horde mode, and all the mutiplayer from Gears 1. Would you think its worth it?
It's definitely worth it for us Halo junkies. Even those who are not Halo fanboys, it has 7-10hrs of campaign with a new multiplayer mode and the extra MP packs from Halo 3. That's more than what a lot of games give you.
" i would get it if it was cheaper and without the multiplayer disc everybody who's going to get this already has halo 3 with its 2-year old multiplayer and i dont see a point of having it on a separate disc, when i could use the same amount of time to switch to my halo 3 i would get it for $40 max with just the campaign, firefight, and only the 3 new maps. because its the same engine, enemies and weapons with little design involved (only parts of the environments were made) "i would do that in a second, i think thats more then fair.
"but you dont buy those games that give you the same amount do you? this should have been downloadable like Lost and the Dammed or Gay Tony. Or even sell the campaign and firefighter for like $40.
It's definitely worth it for us Halo junkies. Even those who are not Halo fanboys, it has 7-10hrs of campaign with a new multiplayer mode and the extra MP packs from Halo 3. That's more than what a lot of games give you. "
Like name a game that actually re-sells the same mutiplayer thats 2 years old.. or re-sells a game thats 2 years old.. only thing i can think of is something like the Orange Box but that was a great deal.
"Well most people are burnt out on Halo's multiplayer and continual release of shitty maps, so you're really paying for a campaign that uses all the same resources from Halo 3....except they're marketing it as a new game and charging full price for it.
It's definitely worth it for us Halo junkies. Even those who are not Halo fanboys, it has 7-10hrs of campaign with a new multiplayer mode and the extra MP packs from Halo 3. That's more than what a lot of games give you. "
and im not mad cause i think the game sucks or any of that fanboy shit, im mad cause i want the game but its overpriced.
No other game franchise could get away with doing what halo is doing. If Call of Duty, or Rainbow Six, GTA, hell even team fortress 2 did this the internet would explode. People were freaking out because there is a new LEft for Dead coming out.
your wrong and thats all there is to it.
Now if we can have a real discussion. This is definitely not worth the price of admission and Jeff says as much in his review. They just include a separate disc that has the halo 3 multiplayer on it. the campaign will only last 5 hours and the firefight mode is not as compelling as the horde mode in Gears. Sounds like a rip off to me in terms of full fledged games. At 40 bucks it is more reasonable for a new release.
Imagine if they release gears of war 2.5, for 60 bucks where they added just a few hours to the campaign, and said here is a horde mode, but go back and play the original multiplayer. Doesnt sound too good. The firefight mode was not exactly a ground breaking thought from bungie either.
It's worth the 60 (70 in Canada) if you haven't bought Halo 3 and all it's map packs. Otherwise it's a waste of money and a rip off. Considering most people who want or are interested in ODST are existing Halo fans it's pretty obvious that Bungie realized the potential for profit here and put that in front of treating it's customer base nicely. Oh well, not like I'm buying this pig shit.
" @Kyle said:What are you talking about? That IS what Gears 2 had." ODST has more new content than a lot of sequels do. It's not that ODST isn't worth $60, it's just that you're comparing it to Halo 3 which was worth much more than $60. "If Gears 2 had a 6 hour campaign, horde mode, and all the mutiplayer from Gears 1. Would you think its worth it? "
" @DrLove said:ok... " If Gears 2 had a 6 hour campaign, horde mode, and all the mutiplayer from Gears 1 with only 3 new maps. Would you think its worth it?" @Kyle said:What are you talking about? That IS what Gears 2 had. "" ODST has more new content than a lot of sequels do. It's not that ODST isn't worth $60, it's just that you're comparing it to Halo 3 which was worth much more than $60. "If Gears 2 had a 6 hour campaign, horde mode, and all the mutiplayer from Gears 1. Would you think its worth it? "
" @Kyle said:I bought Gears 2, and I don't think it was worth it. : /" @DrLove said:ok... " If Gears 2 had a 6 hour campaign, horde mode, and all the mutiplayer from Gears 1 with only 3 new maps. Would you think its worth it? "" @Kyle said:What are you talking about? That IS what Gears 2 had. "" ODST has more new content than a lot of sequels do. It's not that ODST isn't worth $60, it's just that you're comparing it to Halo 3 which was worth much more than $60. "If Gears 2 had a 6 hour campaign, horde mode, and all the mutiplayer from Gears 1. Would you think its worth it? "
" @DrLove said:so im guessing you wont be getting odst until i drops in price ?" @Kyle said:I bought Gears 2, and I don't think it was worth it. : / "" @DrLove said:ok... " If Gears 2 had a 6 hour campaign, horde mode, and all the mutiplayer from Gears 1 with only 3 new maps. Would you think its worth it? "" @Kyle said:What are you talking about? That IS what Gears 2 had. "" ODST has more new content than a lot of sequels do. It's not that ODST isn't worth $60, it's just that you're comparing it to Halo 3 which was worth much more than $60. "If Gears 2 had a 6 hour campaign, horde mode, and all the mutiplayer from Gears 1. Would you think its worth it? "
" @Asurastrike said:I won't be getting ODST. I don't really like Halo games." @DrLove said:so im guessing you wont be getting odst until i drops in price ? "" @Kyle said:I bought Gears 2, and I don't think it was worth it. : / "" @DrLove said:ok... " If Gears 2 had a 6 hour campaign, horde mode, and all the mutiplayer from Gears 1 with only 3 new maps. Would you think its worth it? "" @Kyle said:What are you talking about? That IS what Gears 2 had. "" ODST has more new content than a lot of sequels do. It's not that ODST isn't worth $60, it's just that you're comparing it to Halo 3 which was worth much more than $60. "If Gears 2 had a 6 hour campaign, horde mode, and all the mutiplayer from Gears 1. Would you think its worth it? "
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