Sega Dreamcast vs Nokia N-Gage?

Which platform was a bigger fail? The Sega Dreamcast or the Nokia N-Gage?

Oh come on! The N-Gage. The dreamcast was actually a quality console!

I loved the dreamcast so to me the N-Gage was a mega fail

The N-Gage duh...

@robitt: What do you mean with "quality console"? The dreamcast clearly failed so it can't have been a "quality console".    
 
Besides... the Nokia N-Gage had the graphics of the Playstation 1 and was so graphically the most advanced handheld platform during its time.

The N-Gage fuckin sucked. The Dreamcast was actually good. N-Gage wins a failing.

" @robitt: What do you mean with "quality console"? The dreamcast clearly failed so it can't have been a "quality console". 

"Mobile phone + handheld + internet" is so much more innovative than a "pretty robust online-service".  Besides Namco and Capcom are Sega local developers and in the country of Nokia there are no developers. 

N-Gage had like one good game which I can't even remember the name. It was some kind of WW2 RTS. 

Besides EVERY argument  is a matter of opinion. Dont use the fact that its "a matter of opinion" that you can disagree or agree as an argument. Thats ridiculous.

Nokia N-Gauge was the flop of course. The Dreamcast was actually a quality console. A better comparison for bigger flop would be the Nokia N-Gauge vs the Atari Jaguar or Sega Saturn (outside Japan).

The competitor of the N-Gage was the GameBoy Advanced, which is like comparing the SNES to the Playstation 1 (if both were released at the same time). We all know that the Playstation 1 is superior to the SNES so the N-Gage must be superior to the GameBoy Advanced.
 
 
 
Look at all these awesome N-Gage games:

If you are actually arguing that the dreamcast was  a worse platform than the n-gage, then you need to seriously play some goddamn Powerstone 2. Or Jet Grind Radio, or Chu Chu Rocket, or any other wicked Dreamcast game. 
 
Just cause something doesn't sell well doesn't mean the games weren't great, and no... Tomb Raider and Tony Hawk's for n-gage were NOT quality games. I remember playing n-gages waaay back when, and what a piece of shit.  

Dreaaaamcast!

All of the Nokia and Sega fanboys are really starting to ruin this site.

" Which platform was a bigger fail? The Sega Dreamcast or the Nokia N-Gage? "

@hondorondo

" @Robitt: Like I said. The N-Gage was graphically the most superior handheld platform during its time and had quality games like "tomb raider" or "tony hawks pro skating"

@hondorondo

" @Robitt: The only problem of the N-Gage was that no big developer studio was supporting it "

@hondorondo

" @Robitt:  If Sega hadnt  produced its own games it would have had the same problem. "

" "Mobile phone + handheld + internet" is so much more innovative than a "pretty robust online-service".  Besides Namco and Capcom are Sega local developers and in the country of Nokia there are no developers.  "

" Besides EVERYTHING is a matter of opinion. Dont use the fact that its "a matter of opinion" that you can disagree or agree as an argument. Thats ridiculous. "

@hondorondo

said:

" @Robitt: The only problem of the N-Gage was that no big developer studio was supporting it "

  So it didn't have the ability to have a strong line up of good games.

@Godwind

   

@hondorondo

said:

" "Mobile phone + handheld + internet" is so much more innovative than a "pretty robust online-service".  Besides Namco and Capcom are Sega local developers and in the country of Nokia there are no developers.  "

As an overall product, the NGage might have been better, but as a gaming platform, it was horrible.  The Dreamcast, as a gaming platform, did a lot more than just have Robust Online Service.  It was an Internet Browser + A Console + A Handheld + Robust Online, On snap, that is my 4 against your 3, I win. Oh, and I would rather play games than listen to the Radio. 

I think i smell a disappointed N-Gage buyer, it's ok though.  
We've all made stupid mistakes when buying stuff, but if you could step out of your little bubble you would see that the N-Gage surely is the biggest flop of the two.

" @robitt: What do you mean with "quality console"? The dreamcast clearly failed so it can't have been a "quality console".      Besides... the Nokia N-Gage had the graphics of the Playstation 1 and was so graphically the most advanced handheld platform during its time. "

 N-Gage was a failure from the start.
 
Dreamcast was actually considered the best console ever until Sega announced they were broke.

" @Godwind said:    

@hondorondo

said:

" @Robitt: The only problem of the N-Gage was that no big developer studio was supporting it "

  So it didn't have the ability to have a strong line up of good games.

Not a strong line up?
 
 
 

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@Godwind

said:    

   

@hondorondo

said:

" "Mobile phone + handheld + internet" is so much more innovative than a "pretty robust online-service".  Besides Namco and Capcom are Sega local developers and in the country of Nokia there are no developers.  "

As an overall product, the NGage might have been better, but as a gaming platform, it was horrible.  The Dreamcast, as a gaming platform, did a lot more than just have Robust Online Service.  It was an Internet Browser + A Console + A Handheld + Robust Online, On snap, that is my 4 against your 3, I win. Oh, and I would rather play games than listen to the Radio. 

 Thats ridiculous. The N-Gage was also a Internet Browser. And why is the Dreamcast a handheld? Thats nonsense.   So N-Gage: Internet Browser + A Handheld + A Mobile Phone + A Smart Phone + Robust Online + Portable Music and Video Device   vs   Dreamcast: Internet Browser + A Console + Robust Online    6 vs 3.   .. even if you add "a Handheld" for the Dreamcast(what is clearly wrong) the N-Gage would win!   (if you meant, as a gaming platform, the dreamcast did more things, I dont understand why you mention the Internet Browser. Flash wasnt even supported! "

I think the OP is desperately trying to justify wasting money on an N-Gage.
 
There really isn't comparison, the Dreamcast was awesome but unfortunate, the N-Gage was just a bad product.

" Which platform was a bigger fail? The Sega Dreamcast or the Nokia N-Gage? "

This thread is not about "yeah i think dreamcast is awesome... and N-Gage is crap"...
 
Its about listing facts to state the differences  of the N-Gage and the Dreamcast.  You can add "And because of these differences I evaluate that the N-Gage is the bigger flop" but that part shouldnt be the superset of your argument! 
  
Please stop with the Fanboyism!
 
 
@DavvyK: If you dont have anything constructive to add to this discussion, than there is no need for you to post in this topic.

" I think i smell a disappointed N-Gage buyer, it's ok though.  We've all made stupid mistakes when buying stuff, but if you could step out of your little bubble you would see that the N-Gage surely is the biggest flop of the two. "

You have to factor in people's perceptions of the product because ultimately that is the deciding factor in any product's success or lack thereof. 

" I think the OP is desperately trying to justify wasting money on an N-Gage.  There really isn't comparison, the Dreamcast was awesome but unfortunate, the N-Gage was just a bad product. "

The N-Gage was definitely a big fail and here is why: I buy and I bought all consoles you can imagine, including a Sega Dreamcast but I never bought a N-Gage device because it smelled foul from the beginning. When even I don't buy it must be a big fail, see? :-)

Its about listing facts to state the differences  of the N-Gage and the Dreamcast.  You can add "And because of these differences I evaluate that the N-Gage is the bigger flop" but that part shouldnt be the superset of your argument! 
     

You have to take the battery out to put a game in. Nuff said.

"This thread is not about "yeah i think dreamcast is awesome... and N-Gage is crap"...
 
Its about listing facts to state the differences  of the N-Gage and the Dreamcast.  You can add "And because of these differences I evaluate that the N-Gage is the bigger flop" but that part shouldnt be the superset of your argument! 
  
Please stop with the Fanboyism!
 
 
@DavvyK: If you dont have anything constructive to add to this discussion, than there is no need for you to post in this topic. "

" @XII_Sniper:  Sorry but we are comparing two gaming platforms! Both are gaming platforms!   Its not like there are billions of gaming platforms and the fact that they are contained in this group is rather useless cause it isnt a big attribute to their identity! Its not like I wanna compare a carrot to a gaming PC cause both are build out of atoms or are both part of existence.  You are claiming that both must be the same so you can compare it. But why compare something what is absolute equal to the other?    Your argument is just ridiculous and it shows me that you dont know very much about logic!   The N-Gage and Dreamcast is extremely similiar! Please think before you construct an argument! "

Please think  

S @ZeForgotten:  What is wrong with that? Other than the grammer mistake "is" instead of "are"?
 
 

@XII_Sniper:

WWE Aftershock is not a good game. 

Lets ask this question first...
 
Anyone on Giant Bomb buy an N-Gage? 
 
How many people bought a DreamCast? 
 
I'm sure you'll find a radical difference in those numbers. Asking which system was a bigger fail is like asking someone if they'd rather shave their ass and shoot themselves, or relax in a hottub while eating a nice cut of steak.