Something went wrong. Try again later

sparky_buzzsaw

Where the air smells like root beer.

9915 3772 281 279
Forum Posts Wiki Points Following Followers

The Inarguably Arguable Tale of a Tales of... List

All thanks to ArbitraryWater for the idea for this list - and subsequently, a few others.

The Tales series is the RPG equivalent of walking into any restaurant and ordering bacon and eggs. You know exactly what you're going to get with varying degrees of quality. That's not a bad thing - in fact, in an era when another major company known for making JRPGs seems more intent on finding a wider audience for their game by making bizarre changes to their core gameplay, it's endearing and entirely welcome. It's nice to have a near yearly series of RPGs where I know exactly what to expect.

That said, some Tales games appeal to me more than others. Maybe it's because they take some interesting turns with the story. Maybe it's because of some small gameplay changes. Or maybe they've just nailed down the formula so well that the entire package just feels great.

This is my attempt to rank the Tales games I've played. I realize the list is incomplete, so please refrain yourselves from throwing the rotten vegetables and realize I just didn't have access to all the games in the series when they were out for their relevant platforms.

List items

  • Xillia had a ton of promise that unfortunately never went anywhere. It ended the main story on a satisfactory note clearly inspired by Final Fantasy X (but not reaching that game's highs by a long shot), but the genuinely intriguing stories of the anicillary party members never paid off.

    It's unfortunate. Xillia and Vesperia are practically neck and neck on this list - Vesperia has the better main character, but what Xillia does with its anime trope party members is much more interesting, and I genuinely tend to like Milla, the optional female protagonist (who I've yet to beat the game with). And in the end, I think Xillia tells the more interesting overall plot, although this comes with a caveat that all Tales plots are stinky diapers full of human excrement.

    Xillia's leveling system is also terrifically badass and needs a modern iteration. Again drawing inspiration from FFX, leveling gives each character a certain number of skill points to spend on a web of abilities and buffs. Filling in rows and columns of abilities strengthens certain aspects of a character more, allowing for some fun long term planning. It's a riot and it makes extra exploring and grinding well worth it.

  • Vesperia was a bold game - at least as far as a Tales game can ever be said to be bold. The art style - bolstered by fixed cameras - is downright gorgeous, with more of a flashy cartoon feel than its brethren. On a technical level, Vesperia never tried to do anything too crazy, keeping its systems tightly in check and leveling fairly rote. It did feature an overworld map, which hasn't been the case in some time with Tales games. Personally, I don't particularly care about overworld maps when it comes to Zestiria and Xillia, but certainly in iterations like Tales of Graces, it really could have cut down on the amount of time spent backtracking.

    What Vesperia does better than Xillia lies in its unusual protagonist, Yuri Lowell. Most Tales games feature a naive, upbeat go-getter, but Yuri was a more down-to-earth former soldier turned hero who eventually reveals himself to be of a slightly darker caste than most plucky JRPG heroes. While in the grand scheme of games, there have been many, many better protagonists, for the Tales series at least Yuri propelled the game to greater heights.

  • I'm only a few hours into Zestiria so far, but a) there's a vampire squirrel man, and b) it's darned purdy. I'm not fond of the bizarre loot and skills system, which seems like someone in Japan tried to play Diablo, got horribly confused about what was going on, and sort of upchucked all their badly translated ideas into this game. I'll try to figure it out more and get back to you with a better feeling of where this game belongs. Vampire squirrel man makes it rank this high for now, though.

  • I owned a Gamecube for a hot minute with only three games - this, Wind Waker, and F-Zero. Really, those were the only games you needed for that system. I'm grateful for my time with it, as that was my introduction to Tales games.

    Symphonia was a good RPG, never quite as interesting as Wild Arms, Final Fantasy, or Suikoden, but it did its own actiony RPG thing and had a certain bizarre style to it I enjoyed.

    That said, Symphonia's been surpassed. The characters are cookie cutter anime types with nothing interesting going on. The plot is, at times, poorly translated and largely straightforward anime bullshit with people saying and doing anime-ass things. Anime anime anime - the RPG. I respect and like Symphonia for what it did, but you're better off playing Xillia, Vesperia, or Zestiria.

  • If the rest of Graces had been as good as its badge and title system, we'd be having a vastly different conversation about what game deserves the top sopt here. Titles award stat boosts and new abilities, and can be leveled five times through use and various actions in the world. It's a cool system, one that rewards both combat and exploration. I personally like Xillia's better, but I can definitely respect series fans who say that Graces had the better leveling systems.

    That said though, the characters and plot are the most boring of the series and the sheer amount of backtracking through the game's dull environments is spirit-crushing. I beat Graces and tried to attempt its post-game content in F, but by that point, my soul almost forcibly leaped up into my fingertips and forced me to stop playing for the sake of my sanity. No game in the series bored me to tears as much as Graces F did by its ending.

  • Xillia 2 is a step backwards in just about every regard for Xillia. It never takes advantage of the compelling plot points left dangling at the end of Xillia. It never returns the focus to its interesting side characters. It forces the player to retread countless environments from the first game - a major buummer for us in the west since the first game had just been released shortly before Xillia 2. It tried to do some interesting things with its story of a pair of worlds trying to reconcile themselves to their newfound cohabitance, but ultimately can't deliver on any of its most interesting premises by simple din of being shoved out the door so soon after Xillia.

  • I have nothing good to say about Abyss other than it was a remarkably pretty game, particularly on the 3DS. The plot is poorly translated and impenetrably dense. The main character is so offensively awful that I quit playing faster than I've quit just about any JRPG before. There's a little Meep looking motherfucker that makes wildly annoying sounds. Nothing about the game interests me and it's the only game of the bunch I actively despise. Even Xillia had some redeemable parts, like its contracts and sometimes interesting collision of worlds. Abyss is pretty to look at and a complete pain in the ass to have to endure.

11 Comments

Avatar image for zombiepie
ZombiePie

9288

Forum Posts

94844

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 19

What the HELL is this "Tales of..." series that you speak of?

Avatar image for sparky_buzzsaw
sparky_buzzsaw

9915

Forum Posts

3772

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 39

User Lists: 42

@zombiepie: I wonder if you'd actually like it. I usually recommend Disgaea semi-ironically in the hopes that people would genuinely like it, but the Tales of... games are generally solid RPGs with a real-time combat system that's fairly easy to pick up and master. Plus, Zestiria has a vampire squirrel man, which has to be up your alley.

Avatar image for themanwithnoplan
TheManWithNoPlan

7843

Forum Posts

103

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 14

Edited By TheManWithNoPlan

I absolutely love Vesperia. It holds a prestigious place in my list of completed games, as one of the 4 jrpgs I've ever played to completion. And much like you, Abyss made me vehemently hate it so fast it made me question my love of Vesperia. (Something I didn't think possible!)

I've got a copy of Xillia somewhere on my shelf. I'd like to throw in my Ps3 one of these days. Unfortunately it's sitting boxed up under my bed, so... unless it comes to steam or ps4 that doesn't seem likely.

Avatar image for slag
Slag

8308

Forum Posts

15965

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 45

I prefer to think of the Tales games as the Mac N' Cheese of JRPGs

Avatar image for sparky_buzzsaw
sparky_buzzsaw

9915

Forum Posts

3772

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 39

User Lists: 42

@themanwithnoplan: I'd kind of like to revisit Xillia to replay it as Milla, but even with my PS3 still plugged in, I just can't be bothered.

Avatar image for generic_username
generic_username

943

Forum Posts

1494

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 7

Oh man, you and I have wildly differing tastes as far as these games are concerned. Not that that's unacceptable or anything! But Xillia is near the bottom for me (only edged out of being my least favorite by Phantasia) Symphonia is handily number one and Abyss lands somewhere in the upper middle of my list, as I actually found a number of things about that game to be quite endearing; though most of the good things about it don't really kick in until about 1/4 or 1/3 of the way through the game, which is not something I expect most people to get through. But Abyss does have some legitimately good character moments and the protagonist has an actual character arc, where in most of the Tales games they kind of stay exactly the same. I also never played Xillia 2 and instead have Legendia somewhere on my list.

Maybe I'll make my own list, though I'll wait a few weeks so as to not steal your thunder. It'll probably have a pretty different tone, as I have a legitimate fondness for these games that goes beyond just being comfort food, but hey, everybody's different!

Avatar image for sparky_buzzsaw
sparky_buzzsaw

9915

Forum Posts

3772

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 39

User Lists: 42

Avatar image for yummylee
Yummylee

24646

Forum Posts

193025

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 88

User Lists: 24

Edited By Yummylee

Far as I'm concerned the only great Tales games are Symphonia and Vesperia. Graces F I at least completed (loved the combat; loathed the story and characters), but Xillia, Symphonia 2, and Abyss I gave up on. Symphonia 2 is without a doubt the worst, as I could only stomach maybe like an hour before enough was enough. Not only was the writing horrendous to listen to, but the combat didn't seem all that great, either. And I feel that is a cardinal sin for these games. I admittedly didn't play it for very long so I couldn't unlock and dig into all of the deeper systems, but the core acts of moving and hitting things just felt off. That, and none of the classic VA cast returns anyway (nor can they be customised when each temporarily joins your party) and it follows the path where Zelos lives, so... Meh.

I do have Zestiria here as well, which I bought on a whim like so many others of these games... Xillia 2 is the only one I've been able to restrain myself and skip for good. Still haven't put a lot of time into Zestiria yet, however. Just waiting for when the mood strikes me I guess.

Avatar image for sparky_buzzsaw
sparky_buzzsaw

9915

Forum Posts

3772

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 39

User Lists: 42

@yummylee: I'm at the point where I probably need to study more about Zestiria's equipment and skill mechanics, because I'm still scratching my head something like eight hours in, and that's not good for these games. The deeper I get into it, the more I'm growing kind of ambivalent about it.

Avatar image for kerse
kerse

2496

Forum Posts

42

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 8

I think I'm with you on this list. I would probably put Zestiria between Graces and Xillia 2 though. It seems better than Xillia 2, but at the same time its one of the Tales games that I didn't play through start to finish, which I had a similar reaction to Xillia 2 and Abyss.

Avatar image for wchigo
wchigo

946

Forum Posts

4

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

I don't think I've finished a single Tales game, despite owning a good many of them. I actually liked Abyss in spite of the annoying main character (who gets better later on) and it's the one I played the longest, followed by Xillia.