Nintendo was founded in Kyoto, Japan in 1889 as a manufacturer of hanafuda playing cards. The company went through several small niche businesses before becoming a video game company.
Some company in England did a study to see the average age of gamers. It revealed that the average age of GTA players was 12, while the average age of Mario players was 26.
"Some company in England did a study to see the average age of gamers. It revealed that the average age of GTA players was 12, while the average age of Mario players was 26."
A-cha-cha-cha! Man, if wasn't for Nintendo there would be no PlayStation or Xbox. Think about that.
"Nintendo is kiddy and they bank on lame gimmicks instead of getting some actual games."
A lot of Nintendo's games have top-notch level design, especially Mario and Metroid. Besides, Nintendo hasn't released any gimmicky software for the Wii than I can think of. All of their Wii titles thus far have been solid, even though Wii Play was short and shallow.
"Nintendo is kiddy and they bank on lame gimmicks instead of getting some actual games."
A lot of Nintendo's games have top-notch level design, especially Mario and Metroid. Besides, Nintendo hasn't released any gimmicky software for the Wii than I can think of. All of their Wii titles thus far have been solid, even though Wii Play was short and shallow."
I agree sort of. Nintendo does make many top-notch games, although they're all rehashed games. I would love to see Nintendo come up with some good original games. The problem with the Wii is, the controller is fairly gimmicky, as well the controller limits a lot of developers and prevents them from making anymore than crappy ports for the Wii. As well as Jeff mentioned on one of the bombcasts, for every good Wii game there is a hundred shitty ones.
"Nintendo is kiddy and they bank on lame gimmicks instead of getting some actual games."
A lot of Nintendo's games have top-notch level design, especially Mario and Metroid. Besides, Nintendo hasn't released any gimmicky software for the Wii than I can think of. All of their Wii titles thus far have been solid, even though Wii Play was short and shallow."
THE WII ITSELF IS GIMMICKY.Mario and Metroid's level design means nothing.The Wii has less games than the other two consoles and the weakest 3rd party support.They have f#ckin Hannah Montana for godsakes..if that isn't gimmicky,I don't know what is.Trying to feed of the popularity of a young girl.The Wii had ported crap as launch titles...some games that weren't even good.
"Nintendo is kiddy and they bank on lame gimmicks instead of getting some actual games."
A lot of Nintendo's games have top-notch level design, especially Mario and Metroid. Besides, Nintendo hasn't released any gimmicky software for the Wii than I can think of. All of their Wii titles thus far have been solid, even though Wii Play was short and shallow."
THE WII ITSELF IS GIMMICKY.Mario and Metroid's level design means nothing.The Wii has less games than the other two consoles and the weakest 3rd party support.They have f#ckin Hannah Montana for godsakes..if that isn't gimmicky,I don't know what is.Trying to feed of the popularity of a young girl.The Wii had ported crap as launch titles...some games that weren't even good."
The PS2 had a lot of shovelware as well. In fact, the PS2 has that same Hannah Montana game. It boils down to people wanting to make a quick buck, and the Wii being the cheapest to develop for. Yes, it has had poor third party support thus far, but things are looking up, with the Wii getting more unique titles than the Xbox and PS3, such as Mad World, de Blob, Deadly Creatures.....things are looking better on that front. Also, yes, Mario and Metroid's level design doesn't mean nothing, it means a lot. Also, a good launch for a console is hard to come by. I can't really think of a great launch setup of games, except for maybe the SNES and N64, which had Super Mario World and Mario 64 respectively. Pertaining to the Wii being a gimmick, well, that's the developer's fault for not going the extra mile for the system. Now that's changing, and with MotionPlus giving the Wii the precision it has needed all along, the Wii is certainly shedding its "gimmickyness."
"Nintendo is kiddy and they bank on lame gimmicks instead of getting some actual games."
A lot of Nintendo's games have top-notch level design, especially Mario and Metroid. Besides, Nintendo hasn't released any gimmicky software for the Wii than I can think of. All of their Wii titles thus far have been solid, even though Wii Play was short and shallow."
THE WII ITSELF IS GIMMICKY.Mario and Metroid's level design means nothing.The Wii has less games than the other two consoles and the weakest 3rd party support.They have f#ckin Hannah Montana for godsakes..if that isn't gimmicky,I don't know what is.Trying to feed of the popularity of a young girl.The Wii had ported crap as launch titles...some games that weren't even good."
The PS2 had a lot of shovelware as well. In fact, the PS2 has that same Hannah Montana game. It boils down to people wanting to make a quick buck, and the Wii being the cheapest to develop for. Yes, it has had poor third party support thus far, but things are looking up, with the Wii getting more unique titles than the Xbox and PS3, such as Mad World, de Blob, Deadly Creatures.....things are looking better on that front. Also, yes, Mario and Metroid's level design doesn't mean nothing, it means a lot. Also, a good launch for a console is hard to come by. I can't really think of a great launch setup of games, except for maybe the SNES and N64, which had Super Mario World and Mario 64 respectively. Pertaining to the Wii being a gimmick, well, that's the developer's fault for not going the extra mile for the system. Now that's changing, and with MotionPlus giving the Wii the precision it has needed all along, the Wii is certainly shedding its "gimmickyness.""
It's Nintendo's fault for making the developers have to go the "extra mile" to make their games any good on the Wii.
"Nintendo is kiddy and they bank on lame gimmicks instead of getting some actual games."
A lot of Nintendo's games have top-notch level design, especially Mario and Metroid. Besides, Nintendo hasn't released any gimmicky software for the Wii than I can think of. All of their Wii titles thus far have been solid, even though Wii Play was short and shallow."
THE WII ITSELF IS GIMMICKY.Mario and Metroid's level design means nothing.The Wii has less games than the other two consoles and the weakest 3rd party support.They have f#ckin Hannah Montana for godsakes..if that isn't gimmicky,I don't know what is.Trying to feed of the popularity of a young girl.The Wii had ported crap as launch titles...some games that weren't even good."
The PS2 had a lot of shovelware as well. In fact, the PS2 has that same Hannah Montana game. It boils down to people wanting to make a quick buck, and the Wii being the cheapest to develop for. Yes, it has had poor third party support thus far, but things are looking up, with the Wii getting more unique titles than the Xbox and PS3, such as Mad World, de Blob, Deadly Creatures.....things are looking better on that front. Also, yes, Mario and Metroid's level design doesn't mean nothing, it means a lot. Also, a good launch for a console is hard to come by. I can't really think of a great launch setup of games, except for maybe the SNES and N64, which had Super Mario World and Mario 64 respectively. Pertaining to the Wii being a gimmick, well, that's the developer's fault for not going the extra mile for the system. Now that's changing, and with MotionPlus giving the Wii the precision it has needed all along, the Wii is certainly shedding its "gimmickyness.""
YOU cannot compare the Wii to the PS2....The PS2 has more games than and console and more good games than any console.Wii is one big gimmick...all Nintendo did was go..you know what how can we get the large percentage of people who don't play video games to play video games? And they did this motion sensor bullsh#t.Which means the regular developers have to do something innovative to fit with the gimmick or not put anything on Wii at all which will mean less games for Wii.More than half the Wii owners are female or under the age of the average gamer...proves that the gimmick worked but doesn't mean the games are good.
It's Nintendo's fault for making the developers have to go the "extra mile" to make their games good on the Wii."
All it takes is time and focus. It costs less to develop for the Wii, so making a good Wii game would cost less than making a good 360 game, so all it takes is time. People just aren't patient enough with it. The Wii's bumps haven't been ironed out yet, but they will be, and we have seen good games already, so some people have their head on straight. PharoahCapcom said:
YOU cannot compare the Wii to the PS2....The PS2 has more games than and console and more good games than any console.Wii is one big gimmick...all Nintendo did was go..you know what how can we get the large percentage of people who don't play video games to play video games? And they did this motion sensor bullsh#t.Which means the regular developers have to do something innovative to fit with the gimmick or not put anything on Wii at all which will mean less games for Wii.More than half the Wii owners are female or under the age of the average gamer...proves that the gimmick worked but doesn't mean the games are good."
Sorry, I was under the impression that pushing developers to be innovative was called....progress....
The Wii isn't following the timeline the way the PS2 did, it's true. It is more similar to the DS, where Nintendo attracts non-gamers, they buy it, sales soar, and then eventually some third party tries to dip their beak with a "hardcore" title. It sells, more "gamers" buy the system for it, then more people make games for it, eventually stealing games away from other systems. The Wii is following this path very well, with the "hardcore" titles being what we have at the beginning of 2009.
Also, your comment on how so many Wii owners are female is stupid. So what if they're female?
It's Nintendo's fault for making the developers have to go the "extra mile" to make their games good on the Wii."
All it takes is time and focus. It costs less to develop for the Wii, so making a good Wii game would cost less than making a good 360 game, so all it takes is time. People just aren't patient enough with it. The Wii's bumps haven't been ironed out yet, but they will be, and we have seen good games already, so some people have their head on straight."
Ultimately it ends up being though that the developers don't care..they aren't going to go the extra mile because Wii isn't worth it.They have two other consoles that stick to traditional gameplay style.
It's Nintendo's fault for making the developers have to go the "extra mile" to make their games good on the Wii."
All it takes is time and focus. It costs less to develop for the Wii, so making a good Wii game would cost less than making a good 360 game, so all it takes is time. People just aren't patient enough with it. The Wii's bumps haven't been ironed out yet, but they will be, and we have seen good games already, so some people have their head on straight."
It's hard for developers who want to make their games multiplatform though, as well a lot games simply wont work with the Wii because of its controller. For a game to be good on the Wii, it must be solely made for the Wii which is why all the Wii's good games are published by Nintendo. Because of Wii's lack of power and it's odd controls that limits whats kind of games can be made for it, I can't see too many developers primarily making games for the Wii anytime soon.
It's Nintendo's fault for making the developers have to go the "extra mile" to make their games good on the Wii."
All it takes is time and focus. It costs less to develop for the Wii, so making a good Wii game would cost less than making a good 360 game, so all it takes is time. People just aren't patient enough with it. The Wii's bumps haven't been ironed out yet, but they will be, and we have seen good games already, so some people have their head on straight."
It's hard for developers who want to make their games multiplatform though, as well a lot games simply wont work with the Wii because of its controller. For a game to be good on the Wii, it must be solely made for the Wii which is why all the Wii's good games are published by Nintendo. Because of Wii's lack of power and it's odd controls that limits whats kind of games can be made for it, I can't see too many developers primarily making games for the Wii anytime soon."
The Wii isn't suited for multiplatfrom games, because the controls take more time then some dude going, "YEAH, LES HAVE SOME WAGLE AND IR BULSHIT AND CALL IT A DAE." But that's why there's a lot of developers that are making games for the Wii and other systems putting a full team on just the Wii version. The Wii wasn't made to provide an enhanced Gamecube experience, though. It was made to provide a completely new one. That's why Zack and Wiki and The Umbrella Chronicles work so well on the system, because they play to the strengths of the console. I can't possibly think of Boom Blox being on anything other than Wii, because it's impossible. I do think some people will make Wii games primarily, though. A dog goes where the meat is, the same can be said for developers. The hardcore market just needs one game to push it, which will come with either Mad World or The Conduit, whichever sells better. Wishful thinking, of course, but I'm pretty sure it'll happen.
"Ultimately it ends up being though that the developers don't care..they aren't going to go the extra mile because Wii isn't worth it.They have two other consoles that stick to traditional gameplay style."
Yes they do........for now. Real quick, though, how many games are coming out for the PSP? That was a more traditional handheld in control setup, right? Why are so few developing for it?
"Ultimately it ends up being though that the developers don't care..they aren't going to go the extra mile because Wii isn't worth it.They have two other consoles that stick to traditional gameplay style."
Yes they do........for now. Real quick, though, how many games are coming out for the PSP? That was a more traditional handheld in control setup, right? Why are so few developing for it?"
Because games don't sell on PSP..now that people know they can hack..why buy games when you can pirate.
"Ultimately it ends up being though that the developers don't care..they aren't going to go the extra mile because Wii isn't worth it.They have two other consoles that stick to traditional gameplay style."
Yes they do........for now. Real quick, though, how many games are coming out for the PSP? That was a more traditional handheld in control setup, right? Why are so few developing for it?"
Because games don't sell on PSP..now that people know they can hack..why buy games when you can pirate."
Wait, what do you mean by 'pirate'? you can download games onto a PSP, or what?
"Ultimately it ends up being though that the developers don't care..they aren't going to go the extra mile because Wii isn't worth it.They have two other consoles that stick to traditional gameplay style."
Yes they do........for now. Real quick, though, how many games are coming out for the PSP? That was a more traditional handheld in control setup, right? Why are so few developing for it?"
Because games don't sell on PSP..now that people know they can hack..why buy games when you can pirate."
Wait, what do you mean by 'pirate'? you can download games onto a PSP, or what?"
Yes Sir....I played Marvel vs. Capcom 2 on it this morning.
BTW in case you didn't get it...females being half of the people who own Wii's proves that Wii's gimmick worked because females make up like 6-9% of the gamer population.
"BTW in case you didn't get it...females being half of the people who own Wii's proves that Wii's gimmick worked because females make up like 6-9% of the gamer population."
What's so bad about girls owning a Wii? You afraid of cooties or something?
I bolded a very important word in your post....gamer. The gamer population is made up of recluses, arrogant fools and pretentious fart-sniffers, as well as some people who just enjoy playing games. The Wii is making video games mainstream, which is blurring the line between gamer and non gamer, which is awesome, because some gamers should.....how you say.......eat shit.
People are just upset that the Wii is currently in the lead. There alot of great games from third parties on Wii but people just like to over look them because they're new IPs or they don't have Halo or Metal Gear in the title.
"BTW in case you didn't get it...females being half of the people who own Wii's proves that Wii's gimmick worked because females make up like 6-9% of the gamer population."
What's so bad about girls owning a Wii? You afraid of cooties or something?
I bolded a very important word in your post....gamer. The gamer population is made up of recluses, arrogant fools and pretentious fart-sniffers, as well as some people who just enjoy playing games. The Wii is making video games mainstream, which is blurring the line between gamer and non gamer, which is awesome, because some gamers should.....how you say.......eat shit."
Please don't turn a good and valid debate into childish name calling. I guess there isn't really too much else to argue though, we'll just see what the future brings for the Wii.
Emilio said:
"People are just upset that the Wii is currently in the lead. There alot of great games from third parties on Wii but people just like to over look them because they're new IPs or they don't have Halo or Metal Gear in the title."
No I'm not upset, why in the hell would I be upset that the Wii is selling the most consoles?
"BTW in case you didn't get it...females being half of the people who own Wii's proves that Wii's gimmick worked because females make up like 6-9% of the gamer population."
What's so bad about girls owning a Wii? You afraid of cooties or something?
I bolded a very important word in your post....gamer. The gamer population is made up of recluses, arrogant fools and pretentious fart-sniffers, as well as some people who just enjoy playing games. The Wii is making video games mainstream, which is blurring the line between gamer and non gamer, which is awesome, because some gamers should.....how you say.......eat shit."
I DON'T CARE IF FEMALES ON THE WII..i'm saying it proves my point.It's a gimmick.No console developer has ever been able to capture that small percentage and Nintendo did it.
I'm not sayin the Wii should try to please gamers but the fact is..they aren't...they are selling games to the small minority that doesn't play games.
Emilio said:
"People are just upset that the Wii is currently in the lead. There alot of great games from third parties on Wii but people just like to over look them because they're new IPs or they don't have Halo or Metal Gear in the title."
The Wii isn't in the lead because it's the best console though.It has the lamest games.I thought consoles were about games not gimmicks.
I DON'T CARE IF FEMALES ON THE WII..i'm saying it proves my point.It's a gimmick.No console developer has ever been able to capture that small percentage and Nintendo did it.
I'm not sayin the Wii should try to please gamers but the fact is..they aren't...they are selling games to the small minority that doesn't play games.
So in order to capture the female audience, you need a gimmick? Wouldn't the number of female gamers mean that Nintendo has made a completely universal console, and should therefore be commended?
I don't mean people like you, I mean people like Pharoah who just seem really bummed about the Wii. Nintendo popped out a Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Mario Kart, and Smash Bros. in such a short period of time. Capcom is supporting Wii, Konami is supporting Wii, heck, even EA is putting good effort into Wii games.
But not Ubisoft, lets not speak of them.
Its like people forgot that casual games and licensed games like Hanna Montana just began on Wii and never existed on any other platform before.
I DON'T CARE IF FEMALES ON THE WII..i'm saying it proves my point.It's a gimmick.No console developer has ever been able to capture that small percentage and Nintendo did it.
I'm not sayin the Wii should try to please gamers but the fact is..they aren't...they are selling games to the small minority that doesn't play games.
So in order to capture the female audience, you need a gimmick? Wouldn't the number of female gamers mean that Nintendo has made a completely universal console, and should therefore be commended?"
I don't mean people like you, I mean people like Pharoah who just seem really bummed about the Wii. Nintendo popped out a Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Mario Kart, and Smash Bros. in such a short period of time. Capcom is supporting Wii, Konami is supporting Wii, heck, even EA is putting good effort into Wii games.
But not Ubisoft, lets not speak of them.
Its like people forgot that casual games and licensed games like Hanna Montana just began on Wii and never existed on any other platform before."
I DON'T CARE IF FEMALES ON THE WII..i'm saying it proves my point.It's a gimmick.No console developer has ever been able to capture that small percentage and Nintendo did it.
I'm not sayin the Wii should try to please gamers but the fact is..they aren't...they are selling games to the small minority that doesn't play games.
So in order to capture the female audience, you need a gimmick? Wouldn't the number of female gamers mean that Nintendo has made a completely universal console, and should therefore be commended?"
Yes..you need a gimmick to capture female gamers."
O I GOT YOU NAOOOOOOO!!!
Then why is it that my mom is afraid of the Wii's games, but will happily play Castlevania for the NES, or Mario World for the SNES?
I DON'T CARE IF FEMALES ON THE WII..i'm saying it proves my point.It's a gimmick.No console developer has ever been able to capture that small percentage and Nintendo did it.
I'm not sayin the Wii should try to please gamers but the fact is..they aren't...they are selling games to the small minority that doesn't play games.
So in order to capture the female audience, you need a gimmick? Wouldn't the number of female gamers mean that Nintendo has made a completely universal console, and should therefore be commended?"
Yes..you need a gimmick to capture female gamers."
O I GOT YOU NAOOOOOOO!!!
Then why is it that my mom is afraid of the Wii's games, but will happily play Castlevania for the NES, or Mario World for the SNES?"
I have no idea what your trying to say...When I said females I meant young females..not saying your mom is old.
"I have no idea what your trying to say...When I said females I meant young females..not saying your mom is old."
What I'm trying to say is that games nowadays aren't a girl thing, so they aren't raised playing them like guys. So when a guy trys to show a girl a game that has dual joystick/9 button control, she gets lost, because she hasn't been around that long. Because of this, they didn't care to play games because it was too much work to get good. That's why my mom plays the SNES and NES. Each has fewer buttons. The Wii tries to make controls simpler by making you replicate the movements rather than have you learn crazy button combos. Controls on Xbox 360 and PS3 have gotten outta hand. I struggle with GTA4 quite a bit because of the controls, mainly having to hold A to run while doing other things. The Wii makes it simpler, which attracts the female gamer. Therefore, you're saying simplicity is a gimmick, to which I reply:The simplest game ever created. Also, probably the best.
"I have no idea what your trying to say...When I said females I meant young females..not saying your mom is old."
What I'm trying to say is that games nowadays aren't a girl thing, so they aren't raised playing them like guys. So when a guy trys to show a girl a game that has dual joystick/9 button control, she gets lost, because she hasn't been around that long. Because of this, they didn't care to play games because it was too much work to get good. That's why my mom plays the SNES and NES. Each has fewer buttons. The Wii tries to make controls simpler by making you replicate the movements rather than have you learn crazy button combos. Controls on Xbox 360 and PS3 have gotten outta hand. I struggle with GTA4 quite a bit because of the controls, mainly having to hold A to run while doing other things. The Wii makes it simpler, which attracts the female gamer. Therefore, you're saying simplicity is a gimmick, to which I reply:The simplest game ever created. Also, probably the best."
The ratio of women who play video games period is below 10%.It doesn't matter how complicated...there was still fewer females than males playing video games even when pong...the simplest game of them all was out.The trend continued up to Wii.If GTAIV is too complicated for females...that says alot about the intellect of females.
"The ratio of women who play video games period is below 10%.It doesn't matter how complicated...there was still fewer females than males playing video games even when pong...the simplest game of them all was out.The trend continued up to Wii.If GTAIV is too complicated for females...that says alot about the intellect of females."
If you think that your ability at GTAIV defines your intellect, that says a lot about the intellect of you.
Well, this brings me back to square one: Shouldn't Nintendo be commended for making a universal console?
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