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It doesn't come much more off topic than this. So apart from playing far too many video games I also engage in what some people call EVP (electronic voice phenomena) only my technique is more one on one in real time with very little to no playback needed. You would no doubt have heard of if not seen the likes of Ghost Hunting TV shows using technology to contact "the other side" and you would be forgiven for believing it's a lot of nonsense and make believe. I'm not a member of any such team and tend to stay away from them altogether but I've been having experiences my whole life and figured I'd make some of chatter more accessible. I will say this though, if you do give them a listen make sure to use headphones. I've no problem with scepticism either, a good dose of it is healthy ;)

https://soundcloud.com/lisatiffany/sets/sb11-sessions-2015

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im not gonna listen to that, you're gonna sell me a home stereosystem subliminally or something

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don't listen to this it will haunt your computer

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No yeah, I didn't want to sleep tonight.

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Now I have this weird urge to kill someone, but I don't know who. I think I've just been turned into a Manchurian Candidate or some shit.

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Now I have this weird urge to kill someone, but I don't know who. I think I've just been turned into a Manchurian Candidate or some shit.

The Malaysian Prime Minister?

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I very much believe in none of this, love it, but the paranormal is just not real there are no ghosts, no psychics, no one has telepathy or is clairvoyant, no one talks beyond the grave. There isn't one shred of evidence for any of it there is a million dollar prize if one human could show signs of having "powers" no one can claim that prize because it doesn't exist. There are millions of cameras and billions of people and not even by accident does anyone have concrete proof of anything paranormal the idea is simply ridiculous.

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Weird. I played these all in reverse and it was a perfect version of Stairway to Heaven!

Or maybe Vinny needs to get re-CB certified. He is not coming in clear.

Two jokes for the price of none! You're welcome. ;)

Honestly, those didn't convince me at all. My computer speakers occasionally pick up a radio station very faintly when they're turned up loud, and it sounds a whole lot like those recordings. Although it's decidedly more annoying that paranormally mysterious.

But I'm naturally skeptical of things actual living people say, so I'm probably not the intended audience. As long as you're not acting on what the voices tell you to do... have fun!

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Yep. A significant percent of population have always had mental abnormalities of various severities. Since it's problably psychologically and socially beneficial to believe in the afterlife, it's commonly accepted to treat such testimonies with more respect than belief in lizard overlords.

To the OP: Cool if it's real to you, It will probably make your life more interesing. Just stay away from DMT, Salvia, LSD etc. I hope I'm not repeating a myth, but they are likely to trigger some underlying condition. Yesterday I had a visit from a childhood friend I used to smoke weed with when I was 15yo. For more than an hour he tried to convince me that bundles of fresh grass (the normal kind) he wrapped around his toes helped him reach the horizon faster by manipulating the "magnetism". I know how such states of mind are like (meaning: that truth is more real than reality), but I cannot imagine them being the baseline for my whole life.

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Isn't EVP all about listening out on extremely low frequencies? I've often wondered if you're just catching radio waves or something. Fascinating stuff. I don't believe in ghosts but I do believe anyone locked in a dark area for any length of time with probably come away with something.

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It doesn't come much more off topic than this. So apart from playing far too many video games I also engage in what some people call EVP (electronic voice phenomena) only my technique is more one on one in real time with very little to no playback needed. You would no doubt have heard of if not seen the likes of Ghost Hunting TV shows using technology to contact "the other side" and you would be forgiven for believing it's a lot of nonsense and make believe. I'm not a member of any such team and tend to stay away from them altogether but I've been having experiences my whole life and figured I'd make some of chatter more accessible. I will say this though, if you do give them a listen make sure to use headphones. I've no problem with scepticism either, a good dose of it is healthy ;)

https://soundcloud.com/lisatiffany/sets/sb11-sessions-2015

Where did you record these?

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@lisatiffany said:

It doesn't come much more off topic than this. So apart from playing far too many video games I also engage in what some people call EVP (electronic voice phenomena) only my technique is more one on one in real time with very little to no playback needed. You would no doubt have heard of if not seen the likes of Ghost Hunting TV shows using technology to contact "the other side" and you would be forgiven for believing it's a lot of nonsense and make believe. I'm not a member of any such team and tend to stay away from them altogether but I've been having experiences my whole life and figured I'd make some of chatter more accessible. I will say this though, if you do give them a listen make sure to use headphones. I've no problem with scepticism either, a good dose of it is healthy ;)

https://soundcloud.com/lisatiffany/sets/sb11-sessions-2015

Where did you record these?

In my livingroom, I don't do the whole haunted location thing even though that's where most people conduct these kind of sessions.

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@heaveninblack said:
@lisatiffany said:

It doesn't come much more off topic than this. So apart from playing far too many video games I also engage in what some people call EVP (electronic voice phenomena) only my technique is more one on one in real time with very little to no playback needed. You would no doubt have heard of if not seen the likes of Ghost Hunting TV shows using technology to contact "the other side" and you would be forgiven for believing it's a lot of nonsense and make believe. I'm not a member of any such team and tend to stay away from them altogether but I've been having experiences my whole life and figured I'd make some of chatter more accessible. I will say this though, if you do give them a listen make sure to use headphones. I've no problem with scepticism either, a good dose of it is healthy ;)

https://soundcloud.com/lisatiffany/sets/sb11-sessions-2015

Where did you record these?

In my livingroom, I don't do the whole haunted location thing even though that's where most people conduct these kind of sessions.

There's some very clear voices in these. Do you ask questions? Does your house/apartment have any known history? And for the recordings where your name (I assume) is referenced, is that you speaking in the recording?

Very interesting stuff.

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Yep. A significant percent of population have always had mental abnormalities of various severities. Since it's problably psychologically and socially beneficial to believe in the afterlife, it's commonly accepted to treat such testimonies with more respect than belief in lizard overlords.

To the OP: Cool if it's real to you, It will probably make your life more interesing. Just stay away from DMT, Salvia, LSD etc. I hope I'm not repeating a myth, but they are likely to trigger some underlying condition. Yesterday I had a visit from a childhood friend I used to smoke weed with when I was 15yo. For more than an hour he tried to convince me that bundles of fresh grass (the normal kind) he wrapped around his toes helped him reach the horizon faster by manipulating the "magnetism". I know how such states of mind are like (meaning: that truth is more real than reality), but I cannot imagine them being the baseline for my whole life.

I have to agree with this.

Don't take any psychedelics if you're the kind of person who's prone to believing in superstitions, paranormal activity or conspiracy theories. Some people have an inclination towards general paranoia, even developing auditory/visual hallucinations, without the use of drugs. Once you introduce them, things can get interesting and you'll develop real mental illness-type paranoid schizophrenia. Your thoughts will transition from "I think I just heard a spirit contacting me" to "I think the spirits are telling me to do things" to "I think the spirits are trying to hurt me". Obviously, these kinds of mental illnesses can develop entirely independently of drug use but I'd imagine it accelerates the process.

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#16  Edited By jaqen_hghar

@evilsbane said:

I very much believe in none of this, love it, but the paranormal is just not real there are no ghosts, no psychics, no one has telepathy or is clairvoyant, no one talks beyond the grave. There isn't one shred of evidence for any of it there is a million dollar prize if one human could show signs of having "powers" no one can claim that prize because it doesn't exist. There are millions of cameras and billions of people and not even by accident does anyone have concrete proof of anything paranormal the idea is simple ridiculous.

This is exactly where I am at as well. There is absolutely zero evidence for anything paranormal. Sadly. I love it all, ghosts, vampires, eldritch horrors. I wish telekinesis, telepathy or allomancy were real. But the way the universe works means this just can't be. Not as far as we know today at least, and seeing how no one has managed to produce any evidence of any of it I doubt we will ever find anything truly paranormal.

The idea of someone contacting us "from the other side" is just silly to me, because there is no other side. When we die there is nothing, just as before we are born. Some people find that scary, and do their best to believe in an afterlife. I am just comforted by that however, and find I enjoy my brief time here more because of it.

EDIT: That said, keep doing what you do. As long as you don't hurt anyone, I don't see anything wrong with having some fun. Just be careful about, you know, not ending up crazy.

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I speak during the recordings but I line a recorder directly into the speaker output they use, if I didn't there would be a risk of audio contamination from either myself or the environment, the only voices you hear are not mine. I go from just regular chatting to specific questions, I try not to ask too many of them how they died but sometimes it's the first thing they say. One particular spirit has told me over and over again that he got caught by a train, another that some woman's car hit him. My house has no history of death, nor has my apartment. I never mention my name either, they always seem to know. I do tend to get a lot of earth bound spirits especially spirits who died in the area and either don't know they are dead or don't know how to move on. There are risks of course, just like this life not everyone can be trusted and you have to keep your guard up because they will target you if you leave yourself open to any negativity.

I don't nor have I ever taken any kind of psychedelics, I'm well aware of the effects especially when it comes to something as strong as DMT. I will say this though, when I originally met my boyfriend he was one of the biggest sceptics out there, I told him soon after we met to not be too freaked out if he experienced anything supernatural. It wasn't long before he started seeing things. It was harmless enough but he got very freaked out, I'm kind of a magnet for things but I've always been able to keep it under control and I always show respect even if I can't understand it.

You might wonder if there is an after life why they would even want to contact the living, in my experience a vast majority of the messages are for people they think I might know. Often it's just to let them know that they will see them again, to give them hope when they think a loved one has been lost forever. Usually it's something like "Tell -name- I love them", a lot of people pass into death with unfinished business or never got a chance to say goodbye.

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The thing about humans and EVP is that humans are incredibly good at picking out patterns from nothing. That's why we see cloud shapes and say, hey, that looks like a boat! I feel like most of the time voices on EVPs are things we project onto essentially nothing.

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The thing about humans and EVP is that humans are incredibly good at picking out patterns from nothing. That's why we see cloud shapes and say, hey, that looks like a boat! I feel like most of the time voices on EVPs are things we project onto essentially nothing.

I completely agree with you there Brandon, but they aren't just EVP's. EVP's are mostly recorded without any real two-way communication, I hear the voices with my own ears too.

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@grtkbrandon said:

The thing about humans and EVP is that humans are incredibly good at picking out patterns from nothing. That's why we see cloud shapes and say, hey, that looks like a boat! I feel like most of the time voices on EVPs are things we project onto essentially nothing.

I completely agree with you there Brandon, but they aren't just EVP's. EVP's are mostly recorded without any real two-way communication, I hear the voices with my own ears too.

Welp, I've got no real explanation then, hah. Now if it had been a family member or something then I do have a few theories about that.

Growing up, I always wanted to believe in this stuff and I still enjoy watching about paranormal things, but the older I get the more skeptical I have become. I mean, we hear about super haunted places all the time, but you'd think with how widespread (and amazing) even phone cameras have gotten... someone would have shot some proof. Even professional audio equipment is reasonably affordable nowadays. There's really no excuse for the lack of real evidence.

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@lisatiffany said:

you would be forgiven for believing it's a lot of nonsense and make believe.

That's good, because it definitely is.

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@pcorb said:

@lisatiffany said:

you would be forgiven for believing it's a lot of nonsense and make believe.

That's good, because it definitely is.

Nope. No it's not.

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Oh yeah I'm very skeptical when it comes to haunted locations and a lot of the usual here-say, mainly because it's usually just residual energy and the stone-tape theory playing back events or sounds. Very rarely have I walked into a haunted location and thought it was anything but residual. The problem when it comes to cameras is a spirit will only manifest if it wants to, and even then it takes a tremendous amount of energy to form any kind of apparition. They can drain energy from the living and utilize it but that is something I don't personally allow, it can be very dangerous. The best kind of camera for getting any kind of solid evidence would be a FLIR camera because it sees in heat signatures but even then it often only makes out shapes and it's very hard to make out distinguishable features. When it comes to audio evidence I blame the number of shows and paranormal attractions, they get maybe one or two words that could easily be residual and they make a big deal about it.

Then there is the approach, you get very showy people going into a location and taunting or stirring things up, whatever spirits are there want to be left alone and very rarely want to go out of their way to help along the experience. They are like regular people in a lot of respects, they don't want to be treated as an attraction for wannabe ghost busters. I know for certain my own home is not haunted and the only activity that does occur is what has already followed me here. Obviously one person can't present enough evidence to create much of a ripple but I'm genuine in my approach and will keep presenting the audio for as long as they allow me to receive it.

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To me it sounds like you're picking up radio frequencies. I remember once I was playing guitar with a friend and some German speaking started coming out of my amp, we quickly recorded it and put it in a song. It was freaky, but our situation certainly wasn't paranormal. Lots of things with speakers can pick up crazy radio frequencies occasionally.

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Shit probably should of put a warning like adjust your levels on your headset before listening. Think I lost some of my hearing.

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Shit probably should of put a warning like adjust your levels on your headset before listening. Think I lost some of my hearing.

Sorry Puft, I hope you get you're hearing back soon :)

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@i_stay_puft said:

Shit probably should of put a warning like adjust your levels on your headset before listening. Think I lost some of my hearing.

Sorry Puft, I hope you get you're hearing back soon :)

All good.

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I very much believe in none of this, love it, but the paranormal is just not real there are no ghosts, no psychics, no one has telepathy or is clairvoyant, no one talks beyond the grave. There isn't one shred of evidence for any of it there is a million dollar prize if one human could show signs of having "powers" no one can claim that prize because it doesn't exist. There are millions of cameras and billions of people and not even by accident does anyone have concrete proof of anything paranormal the idea is simple ridiculous.

Yup

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Oh yeah I'm very skeptical when it comes to haunted locations and a lot of the usual here-say, mainly because it's usually just residual energy and the stone-tape theory playing back events or sounds. Very rarely have I walked into a haunted location and thought it was anything but residual. The problem when it comes to cameras is a spirit will only manifest if it wants to, and even then it takes a tremendous amount of energy to form any kind of apparition. They can drain energy from the living and utilize it but that is something I don't personally allow, it can be very dangerous. The best kind of camera for getting any kind of solid evidence would be a FLIR camera because it sees in heat signatures but even then it often only makes out shapes and it's very hard to make out distinguishable features. When it comes to audio evidence I blame the number of shows and paranormal attractions, they get maybe one or two words that could easily be residual and they make a big deal about it.

Then there is the approach, you get very showy people going into a location and taunting or stirring things up, whatever spirits are there want to be left alone and very rarely want to go out of their way to help along the experience. They are like regular people in a lot of respects, they don't want to be treated as an attraction for wannabe ghost busters. I know for certain my own home is not haunted and the only activity that does occur is what has already followed me here. Obviously one person can't present enough evidence to create much of a ripple but I'm genuine in my approach and will keep presenting the audio for as long as they allow me to receive it.

At what point did you discover that the spirits were "residual energy"? At what point did you discover that spirits can "drain energy"? At what point did you discover that spirits "want to be left alone" and are "like regular people"? What do you even define as "energy"? Did some sort of apparition sit you down at a table and talk you over the specifics or are you just inferring these things?

I'm genuinely curious as to how you figured this stuff out on your own.

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I would actually like to know a proper explanation for orbs. As for residual energy, I dunno. Energy can't be destroyed but I'm pretty sure your corpse just winds up being potential energy for critters as a food source.

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@shindig: the orbs you see in photos are just light reflecting off of dust or insects. This is probably the biggest misconception when in comes to photos of ghosts. That being said, there are accounts of people witnessing lights floating around areas that are reported to be haunted. My brother saw one in the basement of a house he lived in that was haunted.

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#32  Edited By LisaTiffany
@456nto said:

At what point did you discover that the spirits were "residual energy"? At what point did you discover that spirits can "drain energy"? At what point did you discover that spirits "want to be left alone" and are "like regular people"? What do you even define as "energy"? Did some sort of apparition sit you down at a table and talk you over the specifics or are you just inferring these things?

I'm genuinely curious as to how you figured this stuff out on your own.

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It's really been a personal journey since I was about 9 years old. I started seeing spirits and they would come and talk to me, it started with relatives of my Mum's who had passed on. I never felt scared of them in fact it was very comforting. It then went from family members to actual spirit guides coming and explaining things, I learned a lot about what kind of risks there are and how to guard myself from the entities out there who only want to do harm. I've had spirits drain my energy before, I didn't know to guard against it so I never told them they couldn't. The only way I can describe it is feeling fully energized after a run and then suddenly you feel like you haven't slept in days. The effects can last for hours or even days.

I've encountered plenty of spirits who are I guess you would say stubborn, they are stuck in their ways and don't want to move on, and for the most part they say they just want to be left alone. There are some who are lost or afraid to move on because they don't know what's next and they fear some kind of judgement, the only thing I can do in that case is a type of soul rescue where you try to council them into moving on. A lot of the time it's just fear and the more time they stay in that space the longer it takes for them to move on.

When I say they are like regular people I mean this. If you had a camera crew running through your home and you were powerless to stop them you would get pretty annoyed and frustrated. I try not to get involved in the "I was here first" scenario but the way they see it is they were there first and deserve to stay. They experience very similar emotions to us, they just occupy a different vibrational level than we are usually tuned into so we don't always see or hear them.

What do I define as energy? When the physical body dies our conciousness remains, but it's an energy body which I suppose you could call the soul. Some hauntings are powered by a more earth based form of energy like ley lines, they record certain events and then play them back through stone tape theory. The spirits I work with were once human and still retain a lot of their former characteristics, especially if they haven't fully transitioned to a higher plane.

Other entities I've experienced over the years were made of of energy but they were never human. If you look at something like poltergeists my own experience is that they were never human to begin with but they were created by some form of repressed energy. Then if you look at something like orbs which someone here mentioned they are just the early stages of a spirit manifestation, or often just dust particles. I've encountered other forms of energy from a more negative place that I don't know enough about and frankly I'd rather not. I'm not religious but I've experienced what you would call demons, I've seen them in many forms but I'm not going into that. Like I said a lot of it has been either explained by guides or it's a case of experiencing it first hand and learning from it. Like I said before a good dose of skepticism is healthy but I've had a life time of first hand experiences to forge my beliefs and to do the work I do. It's not a barrel of laughs, some of the things you see and hear are very upsetting and last with you for a very long time, but I think knowing that there is something after this makes it all worthwhile.

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I have experienced ghosts. My mother's family home was a 1800 -1820 farm house in Watertown Mass. It was probably the third oldest house in that town before it was razed, so generations of people lived and died in that home. My grandmother died in her late 40s in that home at the sink washing dishes. Many family member have seen or heard weird things in that home. It was a mellow, creaky, and weird Federalist Era home with a deep & dark loose stone basement and a crazy tight steep staircase.

That house has a mood. You may laugh, but living in that house like I did, you could not escape a certain amused melancholy...like a crisp autumn day at sunset.

When I first watched "The Shining" (1980) it gave me the willies just like our house.

Danny Torrance: Mr. Hallorann, are you scared of this place?

Dick Hallorann: No. Scared - there's nothin' here. It's just that, you know, some places are like people. Some "shine" and some don't. I guess you could say the Overlook Hotel here has somethin' almost like "shining."

Danny Torrance: Is there something bad here?

Dick Hallorann: Well, you know, Doc, when something happens, you can leave a trace of itself behind. Say like, if someone burns toast. Well, maybe things that happen leave other kinds of traces behind. Not things that anyone can notice, but things that people who "shine" can see. Just like they can see things that haven't happened yet. Well, sometimes they can see things that happened a long time ago. I think a lot of things happened right here in this particular hotel over the years. And not all of 'em was good.

It still makes me think of that house

I really don't think about the dichotomy of having experienced ghosts while not believing their are ghosts. I think 90% of ghost stories are BS; but I think there are real phenomenon in 10% of the cases. I think my mother's family house was one of the real ones.

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#35  Edited By SirFork

I don't know if ghost exist, I tend to think they probably don't. I've had some weird experiences but I just chalk it up to me seeing things or hearing things that aren't actually there, like how your brain makes patterns and shapes out of shadows. Seem's like it'd be a pretty fun hobby though, keep it up duder.

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I remember one time I cooked some bacon and put it in a bowl with paper towel. The bowl then decided, quite on its own, to start spinning clockwise for 20 seconds or so. I'm not sure how that happened or why it happened, and every person I've asked about it usually gives me a cock-eyed "is he fucking with me?" response.

I guess my point is that I have no clue if there's such a thing as spooks. I've seen some weird shit that makes me question, however.

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I'd love to see/experience some kind of ghostly phenomena. I've gone on haunted house tours with everyone around me freaking out about hearing/feeling/seeing shit, and not once have I ever had any experience of anything unusual. I even tried to go off by myself and just be dead silent, but nothing. It makes it hard for me to believe people have real experiences, rather than really silly shit they just over hype and assign undue meaning to.

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@oldirtybearon: You better hope I stay alive for a good long while, 'cause if I kick it and become some sort of phantom "energy"... I'm taking your fucking bacon.

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Wasn't Lisa the name of the ghost in PT?

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Not going to embed this because the video's massive but I used to listen to this stuff a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8EM4Kmn5qI

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You are a walking collection of nerve, muscle, bone, etc cells. You're personality is just an elecro-chemical reaction. When you die your neurons depolarize and your meat decays. You only exist in the meat holding your neurons so you cease being anything. No ghosts, no heaven, no hell, no re-incarnation.

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#42  Edited By handlas

@bluefalcon said:

You are a walking collection of nerve, muscle, bone, etc cells. You're personality is just an elecro-chemical reaction. When you die your neurons depolarize and your meat decays. You only exist in the meat holding your neurons so you cease being anything. No ghosts, no heaven, no hell, no re-incarnation.

Well aren't you a fuddy-duddy. But, yes, it is amazing what people come up with to make themselves feel better about death and/or to entertain themselves. A voice picked up on a recorder? My first logical thought would be a spooky GHOST as well. Still, I weirdly find entertainment from those terrible shows like Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures.

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#43  Edited By cornbredx

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I very much believe in none of this, love it, but the paranormal is just not real there are no ghosts, no psychics, no one has telepathy or is clairvoyant, no one talks beyond the grave. There isn't one shred of evidence for any of it there is a million dollar prize if one human could show signs of having "powers" no one can claim that prize because it doesn't exist. There are millions of cameras and billions of people and not even by accident does anyone have concrete proof of anything paranormal the idea is simply ridiculous.

This is how I feel as well.

I will add to it, though, that (much like Houdini, really) I am super open to being proven wrong some day. It would be cool, and I've had "experiences" as well, but they're always easily explainable by facts and science.

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People believe this stuff? Oh, please. Next, they'll be telling us that if you stare at an unpowered television at midnight while it's raining, you'll see your soulmate, or something.

If anybody wants some paranormal stories, there's an article on this site from one Patrick Klepek. Lots of duders with stories to share.

We've Got Ghost Problems

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@evilsbane said:

I very much believe in none of this, love it, but the paranormal is just not real there are no ghosts, no psychics, no one has telepathy or is clairvoyant, no one talks beyond the grave. There isn't one shred of evidence for any of it there is a million dollar prize if one human could show signs of having "powers" no one can claim that prize because it doesn't exist. There are millions of cameras and billions of people and not even by accident does anyone have concrete proof of anything paranormal the idea is simply ridiculous.

This is how I feel as well.

I will add to it, though, that (much like Houdini, really) I am super open to being proven wrong some day. It would be cool, and I've had "experiences" as well, but they're always easily explainable by facts and science.

I mean why wouldn't you Want to be proven wrong? I would love to know there is something beyond this mortal coil, even if it is an eternity of being a "spook". But there isn't and people just can't accept that its what I believe and I have a hard time accepting it its scary to rationally know that one day I just won't exist.

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@handlas: the problem is that the gullible believe this stuff to be absolutely true and talking about it like it does doesn't help. It's one thing if people discuss things like Star Trek warp drives or Mythology because we k ow those things are just interesting stories. The truly gullible tend to believe that ghosts are real, Obama is the antichrist, the moon landing was fake, the Earth is flat, etc. talking about those things like they are real doesn't help humanity move forward.

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Why are my ears bleeding?